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When is more progress gonna happen? Like when do you expect your caselabs order to arrive?
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It seems this is not usual to do this kind of thing...I wonder how people handle the AQ6 wiring without this, this was invaluable just to make sure I had all the cables.

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When is more progress gonna happen? Like when do you expect your caselabs order to arrive?
I just emailed CaseLabs to get confirmation.

I ordered 31.03.2017, and I seem to recall it was a "order before mid april for shipping early may"
I think I will buy a cheap CPU rad, and at least start testing the hardware out of the case, as I have all the rest.

I was kinda waiting for the case before I would order the pipes / WC blocks, so I would get an idea of the orientation of the pipes, and thus the type of fitting I would need.
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Permalinks to the source files :

Updates :
- added Aqualis reservoir to the logical wiring (new MPS device with AQ bus and USB 2.0 connectivity)
- Excel from-to (will be used during build, and was used during purchase phase to ensure I won't miss a cable during assembly). Also added the watercooling part, to evaluate the number of fittings / plugs I will require (the exact type of the fittings will be determined once I have the case I guess, unless I muster the courage to spin Sketchup and do a 3D model of the case)
I now know the build will require 30 different cables biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif, probably more once I'll salvage SSDs from my current rig.
- Watercooling loop diagram : early draft, with just components in place.



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The loop itself smile.gif



Feedback welcome, this is my first one, so I may have missed crucial points. Worries / pending questions in bold

Rationale :
  • Reservoir, above the pumps with direct connecting, for pump self-feeding. I have not put any fill port, I guess I will have a spare fitting with some pipe that I would plug ad hoc for big filling operations. Topping up would be made using a fill bottle.
  • 2 D5 pumps so I guess I should not care about restriction, etc...
  • GPU blocks linked by an EKWB bridge, in serial mode
  • CPU or motherboard block, still on the fence
  • 1 water temp sensor, because I assume this will be the place where the water should be the warmest
  • Top block, I may put the ports near the front to get the closer from the other rad...not sure. Ports will be facing down I guess, which worries me a bit for clearing air bubbles
  • front block with ports up, for air bleeding
  • Y splitter, near the bottom, to allow for circuit drain. I put the Y in the sense of the flow, I hope there will be no reflow this way
  • 3rd block, the largest
  • Flow sensor : this is the furthest away from the pumps, so if I have a good flow there, this means I should have good flow everywhere
  • I'll use the return port of the rez to put the second water temp sensor, in the place where water should be the coolest. This way I will finally be able to see what is the maximum amplitude of water temp on a circuit, knowing it should be super minimal. In the end I put 2 sensors just so I have a spare one (since I will be using Water / air delta T° for regulation)
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As far as radiator orientation and bleeding, I've got a hwlabs gtx 360 in a top spot with fittings down and it was a pain to bleed. The design of those being different than most I think plays a big part. The vertical rad in the front, I've never been able to tell a real difference between ports up and ports down. Either way It's got to push the air down one side of the radiator. I haven't tested this at all, just theorizing

I kinda like the top rad ports toward the back of the case in most instances. Makes things feel a little more balanced but of course it may be different with the case/parts in front of you.

The flow sensor can go anywhere in the loop because the flow will remain constant from the pump outlet to the res inlet. Only rule of thumb I've heard of is to make sure it isn't too close to angled fittings or anything like that. Having a bit of straight tube before and after the sensor is best.

I'm curious to see how big of a difference you see between the two water temp sensors. I've always had a couple across my blocks in each build and have never seen over a 3°c difference with 2xD5 on low. 6900k and a couple 1080Ti might be a bit different though. Either way, DeltaT is great for regulation thumb.gif

Lovin the diagrams!

edit: suggestion, maybe plan for a vent towards the top of the loop to aid with draining. With no way other route to displace the water with air, draining will be slow and painful as the water coming out will take turns with air going in to the drain. Opening a vent up top allows it to come out like a faucet
Edited by 0ldChicken - 4/30/17 at 9:41am
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Thanks for the great feedback 0ldChicken

1/ how did you manage the bleeding with your top GTX then ? in some caselabs cases one can have the ports facing upwards, but I don't think it's possible with an SMA8

2/ my mind is not 100% set on back or front ports for the top rad. I should know once the case is built, so I can play with the components and see where are the crowded areas. This is a large case, and I took the ventilated cover (which adds 39mm clearance top) so I should have space either way. Front will be croweded by the AQ6 and the ton of wires going there.

3/ OK for the flow sensor, I guess I'll try to hide if in the lower chamber if I can

4/ I am curious too, and since the sensors are bound to be one of the cheapest component of that build, I didn't refrain from having two biggrin.gif I'll post temps idle and load, but I am confident I will not see huge gaps

5/ thanks for the diagrams : I guess I worked in IT for automotive engineering too long to do anything without a bit of CAD design beforehand smile.gif . Also since it's my first loop and since I have to import all parts because Switzerland is not at the forefront of watercooling, understanding what I need to order first saves money. This discussion is a perfect example : I posted the diagram this morning, already got 2 great feedback about using a T splitter instead (connected to the lowest port of the 560 rad), and to put an air intake up top. All this will cost me is the time to update the diagram smile.gif

6/ you are absolutely right, I came to the same realization : I need air intake up top to bleed the loop

Some diagrams update to come smile.gif
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Thankfully my case isn't huge and I am able to run the pumps with the case almost fully lying on it's back panel which put the outlet port of that rad at the highest point in the loop. Changing the speed of my D5's and even cycling power while tilting the case in any direction helps a lot. Right when I'd think it was getting close to being good I would be able to hear a noticeable sloshing sound coming from the rad. I'm using the left port as an inlet to the radiator (when looking at the port side of radiator with ports on top) I believe that port goes to the back half of the radiator so getting the air down was a bit of a trick until I laid down
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Thankfully my case isn't huge and I am able to run the pumps with the case almost fully lying on it's back panel which put the outlet port of that rad at the highest point in the loop. Changing the speed of my D5's and even cycling power while tilting the case in any direction helps a lot. Right when I'd think it was getting close to being good I would be able to hear a noticeable sloshing sound coming from the rad. I'm using the left port as an inlet to the radiator (when looking at the port side of radiator with ports on top) I believe that port goes to the back half of the radiator so getting the air down was a bit of a trick until I laid down

I'll need to ensure that the res is waterproof if bent, but if it's the case, I should be able to bend it in any direction. The only limitation will be my muscles, as I'm afraid the SMA8 fully loaded will not be a light thing biggrin.gif
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