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Coil whine with GPUs doesn't have to do with the frame rate but the load. This is why using v-sync can help (I do not find this an acceptable answer to the problem, however), or why overclocking or underclocking (at least if it includes changing voltage) can help, or why you can still have coil whine at lower frame rates if under high load. It entirely has to do with the load, and from what I read, everything from the power coming to your house, to your PSU and even motherboard, can effect this.

Until recently, I was using a paltry GeForce GTX 650 for about two years or more specifically because my attempts at the time to find a GPU only led me to ones with coil whine issues, so, yes, this problem bothered me to no end.

My GeFocre GTX 560 Ti I had years ago was more or less problem free in the uses I put it through at least. Everything older I had (GeForce 4 Ti 4200, GeForce 6800 GS AGP, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 610) also were too.

After My GeForce GTX 560 Ti died, I upgraded to a GeForce GTX 970. That is where it started. Many games I tried playing (Minecraft was the WORST funny enough) were not even fun to play because of how horrible the noise was. I went through I think five attempts of them from EVGA RMA, and the last one they tried sending me was technically a free upgrade to a FTW or whatever it's called version. Every single one of them behaved the same with zero variable, but EVGA couldn't reproduce it (and on my end I literally tried everything from different PSU, different system, different outlet, not overclocking my CPU, etc., etc., EVERYTHING), so I concluded new cards just do this now because of the increase in complaints about it starting at that time and gave up. I saw a GeForce GTX 650 for ~$60 at Best Buy years ago (back then this was actually a good price for it despite it being weaker) and went with it, and during those few years my gaming needs were lower so it worked.

Months ago, I felt risky and wanted some more performance, so I got a GeForce GTX 1060. I am relieved that it is something I can easily tolerate. Technically, even it has issues with coil whine, but it's minor enough in my uses that it's not keeping me from using it. In actual game play, it's not there (or not noticeable) 99% of the time. I notice it in Minecraft (no idea why this game exposes coil whine so bad...), but limiting the frame rate to 120 helps eliminate it (strangely when using Forge it somewhat comes back near 120 FPS but only very minor). The same applies to Tales of Berseria. By default it's not there, but there's a community mod ("Tales of Berseria fix") that offers a lot of improvements for it, and if I use that it sort of comes back, but again it's VERY minor. I want to stress that in these two games that when it comes back it's very minor, but I'm mentioning it just to say even this GTX 1060 somewhat has coil whine. The only time I've heard it really bad on this GTX 1060, strangely enough, is if I alt+tab during the game "Sheltered" when it is first loading or at the main menu only. It screeches bad then.

I was hoping a mid-high range card (and not a higher end one that would have higher power draw load) a generation later would be better, and it is, but after this experience, I think I'll stay away from nVidia x70 and higher cards from now on. I'm not sure when it started, but somewhere between the GTX 500 and GTX 900 series, this became a thing we have to deal with I guess.

Also, I use a 60 Hz monitor for now. If I were using a 144 Hz monitor or something, I think it might be worse enough to where I'd be closer to unhappy with it.
post #52 of 57
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Thanks for the comment. I too did sent the (notoriously whining) KFA2 970GTX for RMA, and their response was "there's no coil whine, we're sending it back". Fortunately, the shop refunded me for the card in the end.

The funny part is that KFA2 was advertised as "coil whine free", it had all the glue and stuff that was supposed to supress the whine. Thing is, it was the single LOUDEST buzzing card I've had. The noise was disturbing. And they actually told me after testing that it's fine? That was the first time I thought that this whole buzzing stuff is normal for modern GPUs.

Of course, before sending it for an RMA, I tried different PSU, a different MoBo and I even connected it to a UPS to eliminate the slightest chance that my old power wiring produces anything unwanted (although let's be honest here, the PSU should completely filter the unwanted harmonics, that's what it's for - so that was a bit of an "engineering voodoo").

if KFA2 considers THAT ok, then we're definitively screwed, haha tongue.gif
post #53 of 57
So I've run a few different benchmarks and am running some games to check things as well.

Fire Strike (normal) = moderate whine
Fire Strike (ultra) = mild (seemed odd after the normal run)
Time Spy = moderate
Stone Giant = noisy; louder than the ticking of the pump and audible with the tower closed
Neverwinter = none (busiest area with settings maxed)
Black Desert = barely audible (Heidel with settings maxed)

* Mild isnt audible unless the side panel is off
* Moderate is slightly audible with tower closed up
* Noisy is audible with the tower closed up for normal operation

I left the tower opened up for everything but the Stone Giant test that I could hear immediately when everything was still closed up.
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Thank you smile.gif that's more or less what I'm experiencing.
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It's not whine free, but I see that Asus claims to be using a quieter choke:
https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RX480-O8G-GAMING/overview/

Scroll down to the '6 Phase Super Alloy Power II' section
     
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Quote:
2X Quieter Choke

Decrease buzzing noise with concrete alloy chokes

Interesting. The word they used here - decrease - implies that the buzzing is pretty much a standard.

I wondered if AMD cards buzz less, but I guess not. I'm getting myself AMD VEGA due to a freesync monitor, though. I'll see in Person, I guess tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Astreon View Post

Interesting. The word they used here - decrease - implies that the buzzing is pretty much a standard.

I wondered if AMD cards buzz less, but I guess not. I'm getting myself AMD VEGA due to a freesync monitor, though. I'll see in Person, I guess tongue.gif
I'd imagine it is standard now. Until they come up with a new way to avoid vibration on the coils at the current-gen frequencies.
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