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Single-threaded Integer Benchmark Challenge: laptopish Intel CPU versus desktopish AMD CPU

My word is for clashing these two:
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Intel Kaby Lake i5-7200U 2.5 GHz (3.1 GHz Turbo); RAM 2133MHz; TDP 15W - Benchmark 'Bible': 33:07 minutes
AMD   RYZEN 7 1700       3.0 GHz (3.7 GHz Turbo); RAM ????MHz; TDP 65W - Benchmark 'Bible': ??:?? minutes

Yes, despite the 4x TDP discrepancy!

http://www.overclock.net/t/1619592/kaby-lake-intel-core-i5-7200u-how-fast-is-it/0_50#post_25980078

The irony - an AMD fan throws the challenge, weird, huh?

In case i5-7200u beats Ryzen 1700, I am gonna apologize to Intel (via Twitter @intel) for publishing (back in 8/30/16) on OCN this parody:



Another joker put even funnier subtitles to this variant:



All reviews on Internet that feature 7-zip or WinRAR benchmark results I find ... mega incomplete. To portray the [de]compression capabilities of one CPU-RAM subsystem A CUMULATIVE SCORE ACROSS 40+ PERFORMERS IS NEEDED tongue.gif

I am careless how fancy your rig is, just tell me that it scores above 33:07 mark, and you will get the verdict - "GUILTY IN SLOWNESS".
Edited by Sanmayce - 4/3/17 at 2:14pm
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Sooo... You've discovered that Intel has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD in synthetic benches? Congrats, you are only about 15 years late to the party.
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Sooo... You've discovered that Intel has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD in synthetic benches? Congrats, you are only about 15 years late to the party.

Hee-hee, I consider myself a slow-learner, yes, but your suggestion makes me think you think 'retardedly slow-learner' is a better wording, isn't it?

Just a few clarifications:

>You've discovered that Intel has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD in synthetic benches?

- "You've discovered", it is yet to be discovered, just have the feeling that Kaby Lake TDP 15W would walk tall against Ryzen 1700 TDP 65W;
- "significantly better single-threaded performance", hardly with the amazing work of AMD Zen team;
- "synthetic benches", this test looks like a synthetic one, but think again whether it is so.

The first third of the benchmark uses AVX code (highly optimized is an understatement) written by King Conor from Australia, it will show how well AMD people have optimized Ryzen in that department.

"Seeing is believing." My wish is to make tables like this:

Testdatafile: The_Project_Gutenberg_EBook_of_The_King_James_Bible_kjv10.txt
Code:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|                   | Decompression Speed, MB/s |               |
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Compression size  | i5-7200U   | AMD ...      | Compressor    |
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|      765368       |      0.38  |              | zpaq 5        |
|      873168       |     21.50  |              | lzturbo 59    |                    
|      873774       |     11.32  |              | bsc 6         |                    
|      999248       |     26.66  |              | bzip2         |                    
|     1044287       |     86.73  |              | lzturbo 49    |                    
|     1045292       |     17.37  |              | bsc 3         |                    
|     1056622       |    366.09  |              | brotli 11     |                    
|     1057450       |     79.18  |              | lzma 9        |                    
|     1074649       |    632.99  |              | zstd 22       |                    
|     1077731       |   1120.67  |              | lzturbo 39    |                    
|     1080189       |    214.36  |              | lzham 4       |                    
|     1095623       |    455.20  |              | oodle 19      |                    
|     1098327       |    937.31  |              | oodle 129     |                    
|     1098327       |    933.17  |              | oodle 89      |                    
|     1211678       |    657.74  |              | zstd 12       |                    
|     1218124       |    804.55  |              | xpack 9       |                    
|     1230020       |   1813.46  |              | lzturbo 29    |                    
|     1283852       |     87.07  |              | zpaq 2        |                    
|     1318630       |    716.51  |              | libdeflate 12 |                    
|     1390898       |   2387.21  |              | lzsse2 17     |                   
|     1452550       |   2394.60  |              | oodle 118     |                   
|     1452550       |   2391.33  |              | oodle 116     |                   
|     1459092       |   1483.50  |              | lizard 49     |                   
|     1468777       |   1677.66  |              | lizard 29     |                   
|     1574388       |   3053.57  |              | lzturbo 19    |                   
|     1574999       |   2541.59  |              | lizard 19     |                   
|     1575285       |   1978.11  |              | oodle 49      |                   
|     1612070       |   2385.55  |              | lizard 39     |                   
|     1683395       |   2778.13  |              | oodle 114     |                   
|     1957202       |   3356.51  |              | oodle 112     |                   
|     1969056       |    306.65  |              | density 3     |                   
|     2515006       |   2807.29  |              | chameleon 2   |                   
|     4445075       |   2032.13  |              | trle          |                   
-----------------------------------------------------------------


It is amusing to see a laptop against a desktop.
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Sooo... You've discovered that Intel has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD in synthetic benches? Congrats, you are only about 15 years late to the party.
lol now lets see an intel break 8.5ghz on 1 core please
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your suggestion makes me think you think 'retardedly slow-learner' is a better wording

Not at all, it was just a sarcastic joke smile.gif Also, nice profile pic, I love Ink thumb.gif
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its just nice the ryzen because it improves on performance/power per ghz compared to the fx series. in terms of amd, thats a step up while still keeping relatively high stock clocks. amd :-have been struggling to keep the watts down at such high clocks. so its a big improvement for the platform, now couple that with amd's overclock potential and your almost there.

atm the bios still fail but when thats sorted time will tell your comparing a brand new platform to one thats been proven. its still in its infancy

when overclocking you can only pump a certain amount of volts in before something explodes or gives up. the less draw on the PSU/CPU would essentially mean more power to spare. resulting in a bigger overclock. the fx series 93-95 are pulling so much volts its hard to push it any more.

if ive explained that correct frown.gif

amd 3 + started at 3.2 GHz i think from memory or was it 2.7 and was pulling the same watts this is a band new am4+ kinda y people are having issues with ram as most say this "compatibility and cutting-edge performance with the latest Intel Core processors" and they dont read or choose not to
i would like to add i have owned intels smile.gif

when you are comparing laptops, you wouldnt compare cpu you would compare GPU and in that case. i would compare the amd vs intel in the same way. in which case amd have already proved on that front APU's due to being in last gen consoles and the Fm2+ range which also scored the 8.5 i was on about granted they used a dulled down version for the ps4 but hey it had a jaguar OS lighting fast


look at the above picture under mulit thread performance notice the 8. bla bla compares to the 3.467 a 60% increase
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Not at all, it was just a sarcastic joke smile.gif Also, nice profile pic, I love Ink thumb.gif

Okay, glad for another Ink fan inhere, 'Ink' is so ... soulful, Whoever haven't seen it yet - atone your sin, tongue.gif

@Mgrandy

No, man, my idea to clash so many compression algorithms has all to do with CPU-RAM subsystem, it differs a lot from all the rest benchmarks - that is its beauty and uniqueness.
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This PDF booklet features Ryzen @3.9GHz vs Haswell @4.6GHz showdown:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzKgu_YpO6uZd0RkcGRGTk50WTA/view?usp=sharing

http://www.overclock.net/t/1619592/kaby-lake-intel-core-i5-7200u-how-fast-is-it/0_50#post_26005182



>You've discovered that Intel has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD in synthetic benches?

What I have discovered so far, is that Haswell (with 700MHz more clock) delivered:

(((31*60+48)-(31*60+30))/(31*60+30))*100%= 0.952% boost.

Ryzen 1700 - 31:48 minutes
Haswell i5-4670K - 31:30 minutes

In my view, only 7700 has the right to "call out" Ryzen.
The very fast Haswell (at the same clock, 3.9GHz) hardly can be called faster let alone "has significantly better single-threaded performance than AMD", yes?
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right lets put this simple how long has intel run DDR4? how long has amd run ddr4? just on that figure alone you cannot compare as its an unfair advantage to intel they have had many many moons to optimise to there CPU/ram. where as ryzen its there First CPU on the new platform. to do a proper comparison you would take intels first ddr4 rated CPU and bench it to AMD's first CPU thus the ryzen. your comparing a company that has bent the market in its fashion to one that is just starting out. i also might add that considering its new it does well right?please find me amd optimised ddr4. when and if this happens then you can compare until then i still say ryzen does well.

how can you compare a ddr3 to a ddr4 that of course is in its infancy?let alone the CPU its just not right. give amd a few year to optimise memory for that CPU then your free to discuss in which ever way you like about the short falls of ryzen.
from what ive picked up ram speeds on the so called intels went up almost 10% but even still this is just a guess
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