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I'm playing games but I'm not benching them to be honest... I mean I won't feel a 1 frame per second difference or even 2 frames... But I like numbers so I try to squeeze the maximum out for synthetics like 3d mark and such, I'm doing stuff on hwbot as well, I simply like that kind of stuff... That's why I'm wondering how kraxkill is remotely able to get "better" results

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I'm playing games but I'm not benching them to be honest... I mean I won't fell a 1 frame per second difference or even 2 frames... But I like numbers so I try to squeeze the maximum out for synthetics like 3d mark and such, I'm doing stuff on hwbot as well, I simply like that kind of stuff... That's why I'm wondering how kraxkill is remotely able to get "better" results

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It's possible that thermals are afffecting you scores between one BIOS and the next. 30w of potential extra heat has to go somewhere and with the cards at the limit there is a chance, that, is the difference you are seeing. To really be accurate you'd have to increase your cooling capacity by 30w to account for that consumed energy. That's why I suggested testing at a lower common denominator where these cards could not possibly hit power limits or be less affected by temperature. If these BIOS' have anything in them that would account for what you are suggesting (a 10% efficiency loss), it would have to be in the Boost 3.0 temp targets. Otherwise I just can't comprehend how volts in on one bios is different from volts in on the next.
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It's possible that thermals are afffecting you scores between one BIOS and the next. 30w of potential extra heat has to go somewhere and with the cards at the limit there is a chance, that, is the difference you are seeing. To really be accurate you'd have to increase your cooling capacity by 30w to account for that consumed energy. That's why I suggested testing at a lower common denominator where these card could not possible hit power limits or be less affected by temperature.

I did a lot to keep my card at 48C in all of my test so my test have been pretty consistent.
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It's possible that thermals are afffecting you scores between one BIOS and the next. 30w of potential extra heat has to go somewhere and with the cards at the limit there is a chance, that, is the difference you are seeing. To really be accurate you'd have to increase your cooling capacity by 30w to account for that consumed energy. That's why I suggested testing at a lower common denominator where these cards could not possibly hit power limits or be less affected by temperature. If these BIOS' have anything in them that would account for what you are suggesting (a 10% efficiency loss), it would have to be in the Boost 3.0 temp targets. Otherwise I just can't comprehend how volts in on one bios is different from volts in on the next.

Belive me thermals don't affect anything... My card is always below 33 ° C

I simply know for a fact that the palit bios is performing worse than the stock FE bios... Test conditions were identical... I'm just wondering how you come to your conclusion, even all other people reporting worse performance.

Edit: I'll test later again with lower frequency and zero power limit and show you Screenshots
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Belive me thermals don't affect anything... My card is always below 33 ° C

I simply know for a fact that the palit bios is performing worse than the stock FE bios... Test conditions were identical... I'm just wondering how you come to your conclusion, even all other people reporting worse performance.

Interesting. How far below 33C because Boost 3.0 is right at the edge of a temp bin there which I believe is at 32C

I came to my conclusion when I ran out of power testing firestrike at above 2100. My card is capable of 2164 and possibly beyond that. I was getting a bunch of pwr green in my gpu-z. Which is what made me try a higher TDP bios in the first place. My scores went up on it and my card began scaling again at the higher clocks. At lower clocks I saw no difference at all between the two Bios in terms of performance. I only began to gain performance when pwr was being hit more and more as clocks went up. Prior before even trying the Palit (I also tried others), I tested to confirm this behavior by underclocming my ram right at the edge of seeing pwr to confirm that pwr does in fact eat into my scores. Reducing the instances of pwr by underclockinf the mem did increas my scores at the same core frequencies. At that point I wanted to increase my pwr limit as I could no longer scale the card at much above 2100 without having to reduce the mem clock to stay away from pwr spikes which reduced my scores. Sure my core was higher but the ram now had to be lower and the scores were effectively flat or lower.

As slim is suggesting you will unlikely see this in games but for me I want to make sure I'm not hitting pwr anywhere be it a game or a bench.

Also there appears to be two Palit bios. I'm sure you're on the correct one but I did almost get the wrong one.
Edited by KraxKill - 5/1/17 at 10:26am
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Interesting. How far below 33C because Boost 3.0 is right at the edge of a temp bin there which I believe is at 32C

I came to my conclusion when I ran out of power testing firestrike at above 2100. My card is capable of 2164 and possibly beyond that. I was getting a bunch of pwr green in my gpu-z. Which is what made me try a higher TDP bios in the first place. My scores went up on it and my card began scaling again at the higher clocks. At lower clocks I saw no difference at all between the two Bios in terms of performance. I only began to gain performance when pwr was being hit more and more as clocks went up to the point. Where I had to underclock my ram to illustrate that pwr was in fact eating into my scores.

Also there appears to be two Palit bios. I'm sure you're on the correct one but I did almost get the wrong one.

Firestrike and timespy aside, have you tested actual in game benchmarks? Heaven isn't as obsolete as people think it is, it's more realistic to how a game would play. It simulates how much power draw would be pulled while gaming. I'd also like to see your superposition comparisons.

From my research, thermal throttling doesn't hit right at 32C for Boost 3.0 from my understanding, people have done test and it starts at around 35C+. I know this is the 1080, but the results are the same for all Boost 3.0 cards.



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Firestrike and timespy aside, have you tested actual in game benchmarks? Heaven isn't as obsolete as people think it is, it's more realistic to how a game would play. It simulates how much power draw would be pulled while gaming. I'd also like to see your superposition comparisons.

From my research, thermal throttling doesn't hit right at 32C for Boost 3.0 from my understanding, people have done test and it starts at around 35C+. I know this is the 1080, but the results are the same for all Boost 3.0 cards.



Exactly as long you don't hit 36 °C you will stay at highest bin...

I mean I wouldn't say thermals don't do anything if it wouldn't... I'm monitoring that stuff all the time I see what is happening...

I'll test superposition later with palit bios... I focused on time spy game test 2 for checking which bios is performing the best for me...
    
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Exactly as long you don't hit 36 °C you will stay at highest bin...

I mean I wouldn't say thermals don't do anything if it wouldn't... I'm monitoring that stuff all the time I see what is happening...

I'll test superposition later with palit bios... I focused on time spy game test 2 for checking which bios is performing the best for me...

I don't believe that curve ends at 35C there are bins below that. I'm simply suggesting that there is a bin around where you are.

Here is the post which illustrates my assessment of the Palit.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-club/7830_30#post_26059668
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I don't believe that curve ends at 35C there are bins below that. I'm simply suggesting that there is a bin around where you are. I don't think you get our from under the temp bins until under 20C at load.

Here is the post which illustrates my assessment of the Palit.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-club/7830_30#post_26059668
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I don't believe that curve ends at 35C there are bins below that. I'm simply suggesting that there is a bin around where you are.

Here is the post which illustrates my assessment of the Palit.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-club/7830_30#post_26059668

I think there are bins below that whatever, but load temperatures don't affect my overclock... If I set 2100 MHz I won't drop to a lower clock because temperarures that's what I tried to say

Edit:I already saw your post in that thread. If you are getting less power limited and getting lower performance and scores it's the same I found out... Less power limit for the trade off of performance... Can be an advantage in games but is an disadvantage in benchmark scores
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