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yea that looks a bit dry to me. no chance of that getting in any small lumps or bumps. i would try like i said a window 7 oc. see if that was stable. you could also bump up to max ram or/and get a better cooler i also see them big heat sinks and think wow lol on the vrm. your board seems to be well more suited to this fx9370 then mine. im too struggling with stability issues i had an issue where amd overdrive OC software would give me a random BSOD and shut my pc down to prevent dmg. seems like its the only program that gives me correct temps too which is a shame but usually i would manual and not even bother to install software. just if its unstable you'll know lol it will BSOD, lock up, freeze worst case blow up or remove it once you watched temps for a bit. my fans on the rad have 2 speeds so thats a good tell also if it kicks in at full and dont stop you know your cpu is working overtime if its only ment to be idle. youll notice them quieten down after reboot normally a good clock i would consider the point at which the fans kick in to max speed if your pc is working at full speed b4 on idle whats it going to be like gaming.

when you reset your PC does it shut fully off or does it stay powered during the reset process?

if so:- i would just hit reset button and goto bios and change
if not:- power off and reset cmos pin to be safe usually if your giving it more volts and when it boots back up it will supply just a bit more and in that instant without resetting bios you would fry CPU on the very safe side of things you would power off and reset bios every time using cmos pin. i tend not to connect just from habbit dont want to mistakenly hit it at the moment of panic. on a band new system etc

well i say "random" and ive looked into all of them and since uninstalling the amd overdrive stuff ive had no BSOD. guess it wasnt doing what i asked it too even at 8x1.1 cores b4 i was getting a nasty glitch when installing C++ redist (well anything)like it was attempting a random overclock which seems to have gone and seems 100% more stable at 8x4.4 no nasty spikes

ps give the paste a few days to settle in. most take 24h minimum.

managed to get a nice 130fps max on gta v today on 1920x1080 res which was nice maxed settings default obv

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 35.860897, 66.081192, 53.811119
Pass 1, 35.806095, 74.845413, 60.011795
Pass 2, 29.729548, 130.105118, 53.208832
Pass 3, 46.344467, 87.412216, 60.965130
Pass 4, 28.421631, 96.488235, 60.810917

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 15.132899, 27.885527, 18.583519
Pass 1, 13.360872, 27.928205, 16.663391
Pass 2, 7.686093, 33.636570, 18.793873
Pass 3, 11.440048, 21.577549, 16.402819
Pass 4, 10.363957, 35.184471, 16.444416
Edited by Mgrandy - 4/10/17 at 4:37pm
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Well I've also ran into another issue while trying to figure out my instability issues which I believe is part of why I can get a stable non-throttling OC. I am glad you finally got GTA to work and you are getting good FPS. Wish I could say the same.

Now I noticed that my screen started to flash/flicker like when you wiggle a cable. Making my screen go brighter (normal screen appearance) then go slightly darker like when power surge happens. My screen never when black but just went between brighter to darker. Then my games stopped running and started crashing.

When I looked into this problem most people were stating it was a driver issue with the AMD RX series video cards. Upon further investigation I noticed that if I completely removed the Radeon Crim drivers and aloud Windows to install just the video driver my games would work and my screen would stop with the flashing. I then continued to figure things out and reinstalled the Radeon Crim driver and software like Global Wattman. Games began to crash again and screen started doing the flash dance again.

So, I thought let me stop Crossfire (I have dual RX 460 cards installed) and just run 1 card. Boom!!! Games work fine and screen has no flashing.

So my questions are, is a 750w power supply enough to run a Crossfire setup plus OC and run 3 different hard drives etc...?

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yes drivers are bad atm for amd graphic but there working on it and depending on drivers will depend on how your cards will run some may be better than others. i myself have my display shut off at random points, black flicker. i think its more to do with im using dvi-hdmi and not hdmi-hdmi thou 750w should be ample . best way is to check the amperge your PSU kicks out if it kicks out 50+A you have a decent 750w PSU. if it says like 27A its an older style but considering the 80+ gold dont see that been an issue mass effect Andromeda still dont have xfire support yet lol. im sure batman had issues from the patch updates

the reason its not an issue most because you aint running a pump or rads. i to was looking at getting 2 of these cards as there quite good. yet to try unlocking the bios for the extra shaders 1024. i think it was, but if i had 2 dyam sure i would be doing this as they are 8x PCI-E my board sets out 16x 8x 4x so i sould get 8x 8x at least. you also lose roughly 10% in crossfire too. with an unlocked bios you would gain that back but aint really played with it much yet. on this amd extra crap that they get you to install usually i do drivers only. that wattman just seemed far to buggy and slow kinda like any amd software lol. but fear not you can do what wattman does by way of modding the GPU bios. i think im going to put up with my issues as long as i can before that. direct x 12 is still kinda new too i still play games on 9-10-11 and these cards do 12. there new on the scene and would rather wait for others to test seen as how i only got 1 could face looking at black screen rn due to drivers patches etc and i dont want that. bios clocks are generally more stable due to been loaded b4 the OS drivers or software handled like has been explained b4. check your cards are set performance mode too
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yes drivers are bad atm for amd graphic but there working on it and depending on drivers will depend on how your cards will run some may be better than others. i myself have my display shut off at random points, black flicker. i think its more to do with im using dvi-hdmi and not hdmi-hdmi thou 750w should be ample . best way is to check the amperge your PSU kicks out if it kicks out 50+A you have a decent 750w PSU. if it says like 27A its an older style but considering the 80+ gold dont see that been an issue mass effect Andromeda still dont have xfire support yet lol. im sure batman had issues from the patch updates

the reason its not an issue most because you aint running a pump or rads. i to was looking at getting 2 of these cards as there quite good. yet to try unlocking the bios for the extra shaders 1024. i think it was, but if i had 2 dyam sure i would be doing this as they are 8x PCI-E my board sets out 16x 8x 4x so i sould get 8x 8x at least. you also lose roughly 10% in crossfire too. with an unlocked bios you would gain that back but aint really played with it much yet. on this amd extra crap that they get you to install usually i do drivers only. that wattman just seemed far to buggy and slow kinda like any amd software lol. but fear not you can do what wattman does by way of modding the GPU bios. i think im going to put up with my issues as long as i can before that. direct x 12 is still kinda new too i still play games on 9-10-11 and these cards do 12. there new on the scene and would rather wait for others to test seen as how i only got 1 could face looking at black screen rn due to drivers patches etc and i dont want that. bios clocks are generally more stable due to been loaded b4 the OS drivers or software handled like has been explained b4. check your cards are set performance mode too

It was totally the drivers. I went back to the 17.2.1 drivers and it fixed my issues with my screen and gpus. Still can't get the throttling to stop happening with my OC though. It will pass ITB stress test, run Prime95 for 10-12 no prob (I always stop it short because I get irritated that it throttles) and no issues. I don't Blue screen I don't nothing just throttle sometimes causing a delay when it throttled down.

Currently I'm at 4.4ghz with 1.444-1.450 Vcore and stable other then throttling. Everything I read states heat on the VRM blah blah is that really it? I need to find a tiny little fan to place on it and it would fix my issues?
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yep it would probs help,anything is better than nothing. the cooler you keep it less you will throttle its just that simple. if my wife asked me to carry 10 extra bag from the shop and my usual load was 4. The same would happen, i would have to stop and wait for myself to reach optimum temp before continuing. heres a very good video i wold advise anyone to watch as much like ive explained this does it so well, with a flow of water style explanation its a little bit more complex than he makes out but he puts things in simple and gives demonstration.

heres the video anyway should give you way way more detail than really you should ever need to know. but the principles are the same. think i might roll back to 17.2.1 also or just keep rolling back as i too am getting no BSOD. just a switch off of the screen for a millasec once every few hours at random points.

yours is most likely the CPU overworking highly doubtful your cpu has enough grunt to keep both them cards running at optimum even witha mild overclock. which is why its cooking itself. the best way to check would be here this will tell you what is causing the bottle neck on your games CPU/GPU/RAM. now if its your CPU you have done right by overclocking, but there is still only so much extra you can get from overclock. you would do the same if GPU/RAM was causing the bottle neck.

yes the video is an hour long but after this vid you should be equipped with 99% of the basics for any PCB board you look at.

try this if your CPU is the bottle neck :- turn shadows off in games along with any lighting effects and/or vsync too then retest games at 1920x1080 should stop your CPU from getting over worked during games. You would still have the textures at max and what not so still looks good but lessens the load on your CPU.

i done some quick testing on mine and noticed a 20 fps drop with the above enabled overall and mine is an fx 9370 it was still playable but on my A10 this was almost always a must. just to keep the CPU from bogging down in high war times.

what the 2 cards will also do is bring your bottom FPS up along with the top fps obviously, so 50 fps on average. atm i drop to 20 fps minimum with one, with 2 cards i would be looking at that hoping for a minimum of 35-40fps max(at its lowest). also a top end of about lets say (50 fps x 2 - 10% ) 90 fps(on avarage) thats how i would work out your optimum FPS on games. if your getting less than above stated. then yep you guessed it drivers / software/CPU/RAM i did have a max of 130fps on GTA5 and i would hope/beg with the cards to give me this and not the 90fps ive discussed it should be at least close to this figure. probs ranging from 80-100 fps (on average)

if your running what 4.4ghz x 4 = 17.1ghz atm, my amd a10 run 4.4ghz x 4 standard (no clock) so temps and throttle were non-existent unless i overworked CPU. intel are good because if it was say 4.4ghz x 4 intel it would perform double the calculations compared to an amd because of a thing called hyper threadding built in. this would be good for games but useless on long meaning less tasks like conversions on video/animation where an amd could overclock and perform at a higher clock speed way more stable than an intel. but with it comes heat tongue.gif
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Thanks man those videos helped a lot. Still working on thing and once then fans come in I'll see if that really makes a difference on my temps and helps with the throttling. Keep you posted. Ya you should roll back. It will prob help the GPU out
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Update.... added a fan over the mosfet/VRM heatsink and no good. Still throttling so I no longer know what to do. I may just have a bad chip and will need to just deal with it or drop the overclock/voltage. Idk. Would any of you have anymore advice?
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Thanks man those videos helped a lot. Still working on thing and once then fans come in I'll see if that really makes a difference on my temps and helps with the throttling. Keep you posted. Ya you should roll back. It will prob help the GPU out
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Update.... added a fan over the mosfet/VRM heatsink and no good. Still throttling so I no longer know what to do. I may just have a bad chip and will need to just deal with it or drop the overclock/voltage. Idk. Would any of you have anymore advice?

k post temps of cpu /mb/ nb at 100% load at what ever clock speed dont run for any longer than necessary. lets say 5 mins max if its floating above 85-90 stop

if cpu is above 63 at any point you need better cooling
if nb / mb reach above 45-60 thats fine any higher then new cooling for that dont see it been problem but who knows the extra fan should defo keep it sweet
report bk 1 normal clocks one maxed clock your getting probs be best
or use hwinfo64 google it post results
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k post temps of cpu /mb/ nb at 100% load at what ever clock speed dont run for any longer than necessary. lets say 5 mins max if its floating above 85-90 stop

if cpu is above 63 at any point you need better cooling
if nb / mb reach above 45-60 thats fine any higher then new cooling for that dont see it been problem but who knows the extra fan should defo keep it sweet
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or use hwinfo64 google it post results

I'll use OCCT and post the records of the temps.
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I'll use OCCT and post the records of the temps.
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k post temps of cpu /mb/ nb at 100% load at what ever clock speed dont run for any longer than necessary. lets say 5 mins max if its floating above 85-90 stop

if cpu is above 63 at any point you need better cooling
if nb / mb reach above 45-60 thats fine any higher then new cooling for that dont see it been problem but who knows the extra fan should defo keep it sweet
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or use hwinfo64 google it post results

Tested the CPU this morning with OCCT for 10 minutes and these are the temps. Hi of 42 degrees C and Low of 38.5 C. My temps are low on the Bus as well. Temps are super controlled and low across the board so idk what is going on.




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