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Looking to buy a 2 x 8GB RGB kit for my Ryzen build. Obviously need Samsung B-die so I'm wondering if I should go for the 3200Mhz CAS 14 kit or go all out and get the DDR4 4266 CAS 19 kit. Is the DDR4 4266Mhz B-Die/Single rank? I won't be able to max out the frequency but it'll give me room to work with in the future. For the time being, would I be able to run 3200Mhz CAS 14 @1.35v using the 4266Mhz kit?
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I'd go all the way! They keep improving the RyZen platform and mobos are coming out with new Bios all the time, so you never know what the future will bring.
 
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I'd go all the way! They keep improving the RyZen platform and mobos are coming out with new Bios all the time, so you never know what the future will bring.
My thoughts exactly. Just need Samsung B-die/single rank confirmation and this particular kit can do 3200 CAS 14 @1.35v or 3600Mhz CAS 16 using 1.35v.
Edited by DADDYDC650 - 4/5/17 at 8:53pm
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Yeah, saves from having to upgrade later.
 
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G.Skill might be worth looking into. They might release a AMD version of their Trident RGB kits. They use Samsung B Die.




As of April 2017, they top out at 4000 @ CL18-19-19-39 and 4266 @ CL19-19-19-39.

So far they have been the fastest to release dedicated AMD RAM. I'd imagine they will release better binned kits once AMD unlocks their RAM capabilities, which we are expecting in May. Give the platform some time to mature.
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G.Skill might be worth looking into. They might release a AMD version of their Trident RGB kits. They use Samsung B Die.




As of April 2017, they top out at 4000 @ CL18-19-19-39 and 4266 @ CL19-19-19-39.

So far they have been the fastest to release dedicated AMD RAM. I'd imagine they will release better binned kits once AMD unlocks their RAM capabilities, which we are expecting in May. Give the platform some time to mature.
Currently have the 2x8GB 3200 CL14 kit. Thinking about trying the 4266Mhz kit just to have and room to play with down the line. Perhaps even with Ryzen 2.
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There's no way to future proof for Ryzen 2 and 3 I am afraid even with the best RAM currently available.


It could be that with Ryzen and future Intel CPUs, we will see faster than 4266 MHz kits.




This is the 4266 kit:
http://gskill.com/en/product/f4-4266c19d-16gtzr

There are 3 distinct bottlenecks:
  1. How fast they can make the DDR4 DIMMs go? (Assuming 2x as fast as DDR3, DDR4 in the range of 5500 to 6000 might be possible)
  2. What can the memory controllers on the CPUs support?
  3. What can the motherboard and BIOS support? We don't know at this point what boards are good at RAM overclocking and which motherboard makers are really good about regular BIOS updates.

There's no way to know how fast they can make DDR4 I am afraid. They may also be able to release future versions with tighter timings too. I expect higher capacity DIMMs too.

It's significant because Ryzen's RAM speed also controls the speed of the Infinity Fabric, which allows the 2 CCXs (2 clusters of 4 cores per cluster that make up Ryzen) communicate with each other. We also don't know if AMD will address these bottlenecks with Ryzen 2 or decouple them (like in Intel CPUs where there are individual core, uncore, and bus speeds).

Basically ... it's complicated and there is no way to future proof by buying good RAM today.
Edited by CrazyElf - 4/14/17 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by CrazyElf View Post

There's no way to future proof for Ryzen 2 and 3 I am afraid even with the best RAM currently available.


It could be that with Ryzen and future Intel CPUs, we will see faster than 4266 MHz kits.




This is the 4266 kit:
http://gskill.com/en/product/f4-4266c19d-16gtzr

There are 3 distinct bottlenecks:
  1. How fast they can make the DDR4 DIMMs go? (Assuming 2x as fast as DDR3, DDR4 in the range of 5500 to 6000 might be possible)
  2. What can the memory controllers on the CPUs support?
  3. What can the motherboard and BIOS support? We don't know at this point what boards are good at RAM overclocking and which motherboard makers are really good about regular BIOS updates.

There's no way to know how fast they can make DDR4 I am afraid. They may also be able to release future versions with tighter timings too. I expect higher capacity DIMMs too.

It's significant because Ryzen's RAM speed also controls the speed of the Infinity Fabric, which allows the 2 CCXs (2 clusters of 4 cores per cluster that make up Ryzen) communicate with each other. We also don't know if AMD will address these bottlenecks with Ryzen 2 or decouple them (like in Intel CPUs where there are individual core, uncore, and bus speeds).

Basically ... it's complicated and there is no way to future proof by buying good RAM today.
You make some valid points. I guess I can always just sit put and see what the future holds for Ryzen 2 and 3. I'll just sell my 3200Mhz CL14 kit if I need something a lot faster.
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