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I find that they finally have something competitive on the CPU side of things. As an IT proffesional I would like to support that, even though its a brand new architecture and has many issues, I'm confident those will be resolved in due time. There is also something very sexy about playing around with the latest tech without having too much guidance, but just trial and error really, thats super fun haha!

I will buy into vega as well if it lives up to the hype and performs around the 1080ti level. But they need to bring this to market because I'm running out of patience and my ryzen build is screaming for a good GPU + block lol
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In the simplest terms, and for many varied reasons, I would prefer to not give intel or nvidia money.
I am not 'attached' to AMD by anything stronger than my distaste for their current competition.

If Matrox and VIA suddenly became relevant in the consumer market, I'd be happy to give them support.


EDIT: braincracking PM'd about ram question
Edited by 7850K - 4/6/17 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by 7850K View Post

In the simplest terms, and for many varied reasons, I would prefer to not give intel or nvidia money.
I am not 'attached' to AMD by anything stronger than my distaste for their current competition.

If Matrox and VIA suddenly became relevant in the consumer market, I'd be happy to give them support.


Off topic: I just saw you have the same ram as me, what speeds are you getting out of those. I can get to 3Ghz+, but then bclk is at 124 and divider on 2400.

I am not trying to derail the thread so if this is too OT, just remove it thumb.gif
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AMD are the pioneers of new technology - 64-bit processing, multi-core CPUs, APUs, new graphics APIs - almost everything that pushes PCs forward comes from AMD's R&D, and I want to help them by buying their products. Also, I feel like I get a sneak-peek of the future, even though performance often is behind Intel's.
Also, using AMD CPUs saves me a lot of hassle with third-party coolers - almost all of them fit any AMD mobo from the past 15 years.
Another reason is that by not using AMD, I help Intel and Nvidia establish a monopoly, which is bad for everybody.
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CPUs

Currently I run an Intel CPU, but if I were to build today, I'd wait for the Ryzen X390 and X399, if the exist.

Ryzen right now offers unparalleled value when it comes to multi-threaded and workstation performance. On workstation, they overwhelmingly did meet their 6900K at half the price or less (for the Ryzen 1700) goal.

It's single threaded performance is "good enough" (gets to 3.9 - 4.1 GHz, while matching Haswell IPC). The only people who need the 7700k are those who game and don't do much else, or if they do much else, their applications are purely single thread bottlenecked.

They have a very powerful CPU with excellent power efficiency. Overclocking could be better though for sure.






GPUs

From a GPU standpoint, Fine Wine appears to be very real. Some AMD fans do exaggerate how much it is, but it does seem to be a thing.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1623075/amd-fine-wine-so-i-took-the-computerbase-de-results-and-compared-the-nvidia-kepler-vs-amd-tahiti-hawaii/0_100http://www.overclock.net/t/1623075/amd-fine-wine-so-i-took-the-computerbase-de-results-and-compared-the-nvidia-kepler-vs-amd-tahiti-hawaii/0_100

The other big reason is because looking at Vega, this is likely to continue:

http://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2017-amds-ryzen-and-vega-revealed?page=1
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But here's the thing: the tone AMD took in presenting Vega couldn't have been more different from how it presented Ryzen, and if we were to read between the lines, we'd say this is indicative of AMD's confidence in the product. First, it is now confirmed as a 1H'17 product (not 1Q'17 as originally anticipated). Additinally, Scott made clear that this is very much a next-gen product, but that many of the cutting-edge features of Vega cannot be utilized natively by DX12, let alone DX11. For example, Vega's next-gen compute engine, called the "NCU" (replacing the "CU"), offers flexible 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit operations, but that these must be coded for directly. Some of the other new features in Vega include a texture culling technique that has the potential to reduce VRAM usage by half (again, requiring a software assist), a new programmable geometry pipeline with 2x throughput per clock, and a more flexible "primitive shader." Vega will also have higher clocks and IPC than Polaris, which itself had 15% higher IPC than Fiji.


I think that if you were to upgrade annually, Nvidia is a better option, but if you were to go with keeping your GPUs, AMD seems like the better option. We won't get much from Nvidia until maybe Volta I'm afraid in terms of longevity.

The other reason is that if you have a near tie, like a RX 480 vs GTX 1060 situation, if you were to build a new system today, the RX 480 would get you better performance for the money, not just in the future, but today. Freesync monitors do not carry a premium over non-Freesync monitors. G-Sync by contrast costs a lot more. Even if the RX 480 were slower (it is at a few DX11 games), the Freesync experience is very important for a good gaming experience. FPS and frame timing doesn't capture it. You'd have to pay a lot more for G-Sync.


AMD's driver quality as of late has improved too, as has their Crossfire support. Image quality has historically been better than Nvidia, although not as good as Matrox (sadly they don't have much of a place in the gaming world), If they partnered going forward with Matrox, I think they would have some amazing image quality.

If this could be combined with >120Hz OLED displays without any burnin and Freesync 2 HDR, I think that going forward, things could be amazing.






Other

Mostly for consumer interests, it's best to buy from the underdog to prevent a monopoly. We saw with the 6950X and the way Nvidia priced Pascal what is going to happen. That doesn't stop me when the gap is huge though; I am running a 5960X on my main rig for a reason.

I find it odd that AMD, a company with hardly any money that is struggling to keep the lights on, is the one pushing behind technologies like HBM. It's very odd because in theory, the competition's vast R&D money should be a huge advantage and should enable them to push forward. Then again, with the 4800 series, they also pushed GDDR5 so perhaps this is not a surprise and before that, the not so successful GDDR4.
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Comparing LGA 771 Xeon's to the one and only most powerful AMD Opteron, the Suzuka 1389. The Suzuka 1389 never received any hype or any credit, not to mention not one tiny sliver of publicity.

The AMD Opteron 1389 was in my most honest technical opinion, the best CPU AMD Ever made for this spec AM3 Platform. It's such a great chip. You all really need to try one out. Let's make a thread all about the 1389. thumb.gif
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I got my first AMD (Athlon 64 3200+ S939) because at the time they were beating out the P4's. I got my current RIG GHOST because I had originally bought an AM3+ board to go with my wee Athlon 2 645 with the plans of upgrading it. It was cheap for someone like me who was on a student budget. And then that particular rig died (THINGY) I sent the mobo for RMA got the ASUS M5A99FX as a replacement and got the FX to go with it. Upgrade cost was minimal. And performance was great. It is nowhere near as bad as the Intel fannies will tell you it is. So ultimately my current RIG was an evolution of my old rig which I got for basically pennies and the upgrade cost was also basically pennies. The performance I have received from this machine over its now nearly 4 years of life have been fantastic.
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I chose my FX 8350 in 2013 because it was the best build for my budget at the time. I've upgraded RAM, GPU, and PSU and have been replacing parts over time.
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I choose AMD overall because for the money it delivers.

With the expense of upgrading every so often it just makes sense to save $$ if possible, as long as what AMD makes does the job for me I'll keep running them. I'll admit I've purchased an Intel or two but nothing I've experienced with these has made me want to switch period.

I'll also admit my needs aren't as demanding as it is for others since for example I'm not a gamer, with that in mind I'm not worried about trying to milk out the max FPS in all I do because it's not a requirement here. With the arrival of Rysen, now it's feasable to have a cheaper system based on cost, getting good performance and having hardware that will last for as long as you'd probrably want it to.
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post #20 of 48
I find most AMD tech has more performance than we see which is the best part about AMD. Everything they make is way better than we think it is. Rather than Nvidia, where we see how good it is and yes it's really that good which is really good. hahahaha AMD .. heck I like that name.. Advanced Micro Devices... They really are advanced and teeny tiny little things haha wink.gif
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