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It's Deneb yes it's Phenom II x4.. but it's not since it's an Opteron .. finer performer imo.. it's a different chip I find it's an awesome performer for games... It went from 44fps Fallout 4 ultra 1080p to 54fps ultra 1080p from 2.9Ghz to 3.625Ghz nearly auto voltage.
Deneb.. the 1389 was different and is an amazing processor .. no Phenom II here... 2.9Ghz is like 30C Load bro.. it'll clock 3.5Ghz on 1.325v "Auto" on most board easily .. 3.625Ghz 250mhz fsb with ease... amazing cpu

No, it really is not special.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/704/AMD_Phenom_II_X4_955_(125W__rev._C3__BE)_vs_AMD_Third_Generation_Opteron_1389.html

The differences are in clocks.
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No, it really is not special.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/704/AMD_Phenom_II_X4_955_(125W__rev._C3__BE)_vs_AMD_Third_Generation_Opteron_1389.html

The differences are in clocks.

thumb.gif Can you get over 3.2Ghz Phenom II Quad for less than $30?
Edited by chris89 - 4/27/17 at 8:17pm
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You can get one for about 40 bucks without looking too hard, or a X6 for about 80.

 

And you get an unlocked multiplier and a better IMC.

   
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Right on I stick with the Opteron 1389 since it's $28 all day and quite capable for it's value. Up to 18GB/s vs 24GB/s AMD 8 Core... So 33.33% more memory bandwidth and 1866Mhz support on the 8 core, only 1333 on the Opteron for 18GB/s. So I guess the 8 core should be 33.33% more expensive... $37.33 I wish hahahaha

My friend has an 8 core 8350 and it's L1 rate is about 550GB/s vs 475GB/s Opteron 1389 again just like 15-20% more L1 performance so really the Opteron 1389 is the best value for AM3 if someone were to build a budget capable rig.



Edited by chris89 - 4/28/17 at 1:17am
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Because I refuse to participate in nVidia's mind share, and I refuse to support Intel, which used shady business practices to 'help' AMD into almost going bankrupt. I have to support AMD to minimize the chance of them going bust, because if they do, the PC community is in a lot of trouble.
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becos i dun want to waste time,effort or money to delid my cpu to get a good temp.
Why would I buy or support a cpu with bird poo tim, a manufacturer that said its tooooo
hard to solder current chips and simply just let the their user bear the burden of cost for optimal cooling.
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Thanks for the responses everyone! I'm finding this really interesting to see the spectrum of AMD users.
Sounds to me like the primary reasons a lot of us are here are:

1. To support the underdog
2. Because we hate the competition
3. Because price to performance when we purchased are computers was in AMD's favor


There's of course other opinions, but the majority seem to fall in there somewhere.
I want to highlight a couple things other people said as well:
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Originally Posted by nicodemus View Post

* pushing open standards like Vulkan, Freesync, and open-source Mesa drivers for Linux.
* general innovative risk taking (x64, multi core, APU, HSA, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Zhany View Post

and AMD has been at the forefront of innovation for many of the technologies we now enjoy, X64 as an example

I can't find the person who said it, but someone said something along the lines of "all the modern innovations in desktop computers come from AMD's R&D department" and while it's slightly exaggerated, there's some truth to it. For how small AMD is, they've shook the desktop world multiple times now.


So, I never shared my opinion on the matter, so I'll throw it out there too smile.gif
I am an AMD fan, but I am not a die hard AMD fan. I will recommend an Intel processor if I think the Intel processor is the best processor for the job. I will use an Intel computer if the price to performance makes sense for my application.

That said, I love AMD for their vision of the future. I like the open standards that nicodemus brought up and I like their focus on moving the computer world to where it SHOULD be. Give me a 16 core processor over a quad core any day of the week biggrin.gif Asynchronous computing is the future.
I love that crossfire just kinda works. I love that it scales well. I love that AMD wants people to use that technology (unlike another GPU maker I could mention...)
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I posted my most important reasons, but all the reasons mentioned are valid. If AMD was constantly behind the curb and didn't innovate anything, I doubt I would be supporting them. But they are innovative and support open standards, and yet are not rewarded for it like they should be.

Tessellation was invented by ATi back in the day. It never took off until nVidia adopted it, and now started using it in excess.
Their cards supported DX10.1, but DX10.1 never took off because nVidia cards didn't support it, despite offering many performance benefits.
GCN was way way ahead of its time. So much so that until DX12 the majority of its features were completely irrelevant. And yet, even today, most games are DX11 focused because that's nVidia's strength.

A lot of benchmarks and software are made with Intel compilers, AMD's CPUs remain therefore not optimized and inefficient and thus by default underperform... Thankfully that is now changing with Ryzen.

Disclaimer
AMD is not perfect. They have made mistakes, their support to third parties is likely underwhelming compared to the competition. There have been a lot of issues in their management in the past. And only now things are appearing to a be a bit more structured.

But the amount they have paid for those mistakes is too big. We've seen nVidia do the same things or worse, and they can easily get away with it, and it should not be that way.
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by chris89 View Post

Right on I stick with the Opteron 1389 since it's $28 all day and quite capable for it's value. Up to 18GB/s vs 24GB/s AMD 8 Core... So 33.33% more memory bandwidth and 1866Mhz support on the 8 core, only 1333 on the Opteron for 18GB/s. So I guess the 8 core should be 33.33% more expensive... $37.33 I wish hahahaha

My friend has an 8 core 8350 and it's L1 rate is about 550GB/s vs 475GB/s Opteron 1389 again just like 15-20% more L1 performance so really the Opteron 1389 is the best value for AM3 if someone were to build a budget capable rig.




I have a couple 1389 Opterons. They are only four cores so today its a non starter. Plus they are rare. And why not just buy a 965BE or 960T? Both of which are faster.
Edited by chrisjames61 - 4/28/17 at 5:25pm
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eBay has Opteron 1389 like 27.99 ... Can't find anything faster for the price... unless you can link me?
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