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PS3 was the most powerful machine of its generation, seconded by the XBOX 360 but the first one was really expensive, and the second one was sold with a big loss. And both suffered from technical problems in their first iterations. Add to that the cost of a 720p (at least) TV, and the jump from PS2 and ΧΒΟΧ wasn't so cheap for the people in my country when they were released. The 1000$ PC may not push polygons so fast, but was a modular and multipurpose machine.

I remember reading in a local site near the launch of the current gen that Sony was practically living thanks to the PS division, and Microsoft's XBOX division was not bringing any profits. Part of the reason why we have so "down to earth" designs in both machines comes form the fact that MS and Sony couldn't afford the risk of something exotic.

Aren't most recent consoles sold at a loss, since the profits are made over time through royalties / microsoft's cut on games throughout the lifespan of the console?
    
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Aren't most recent consoles sold at a loss, since the profits are made over time through royalties / microsoft's cut on games throughout the lifespan of the console?

No, Sony especially learned after the PS3 to make sure this time around they'd be making like $20 for each console sold. OG PS3 was $600 at launch and cost over $1k to build. Once the slim rolled around they were finally making money on each console sold.
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No, they had poor clock speeds and restrictive memory bandwidth to stay within cost effective thermal envelopes.
No it didn't? The PS3's GPU ran at 500 MHz, and had 24 pixel shader pipelines - basically the same specifications of a 7900GT or 7800GTX, and in addition to the 650MHz GDDR3, it could also use the CPU's XDR memory. At the time, the PS3's GPU was TOTL, same with the XBox 360's.
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Consoles have never been more powerful than PC's.
The N64 was leagues ahead of anything available on PC at the time.
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Meh... What's inside "Project Scorpio" doesn't really concern me as much as the available games and the quality of those games. I've recently spent a couple of weeks playing "Horizon: Zero Dawn" and I greatly enjoyed this very beautiful game (and especially the overall story which you mostly get through finding Datapoints/Vantages), even when playing it on my original PS4 (not even the Pro version) on a 4K TV. And I've also ordered a couple of other PS4 games to play next - NieR:Automata and Persona 5. Last game I've purchased for my XBOne was sometime last year, I think it was GoW 4 and it wasn't a very memorable experience playing that. Before and after that, I mostly used my XBOne as a media player.

So yea... Even if the next XBox would have a graphical power of fully-enabled GP102 GPU it still wouldn't matter much if it won't have any AAA-grade exclusives (instead of "yet another Halo/GoW/Forza" or re-mastered games which are better to experience on PC) to support all this hardware, and judging from last couple of years of my XBOne experience I don't feel very enthusiastic about getting the next XBox.
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The situation with Sony's lead is still riding on the Xbox One's failure, Microsoft arguably had the advantage going into this generation and then threw all their good will down the toilet, consumers won't forget that for a very long time.
Hopefully Microsoft understands how deep the bias they've generated really is, that's one reason I'm optimistic on pricing.
I won't ask them to lose money on it (because then Sony would be pressured to do the same and could end up with another downward spiral of pricing that is largely to blame for companies like Sega dying out), but if they make more than $10 profit on each Scorpio I'd say they're making a mistake. If they can't hit $399 it had better be $449.
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The situation with Sony's lead is still riding on the Xbox One's failure, Microsoft arguably had the advantage going into this generation and then threw all their good will down the toilet, consumers won't forget that for a very long time.
Hopefully Microsoft understands how deep the bias they've generated really is, that's one reason I'm optimistic on pricing.
I won't ask them to lose money on it (because then Sony would be pressured to do the same and could end up with another downward spiral of pricing that is largely to blame for companies like Sega dying out), but if they make more than $10 profit on each Scorpio I'd say they're making a mistake. If they can't hit $399 it had better be $449.
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Keep telling yourself that. rolleyes.gif

Sorry I did not know Xbox one was a failure. Please create a news thread so everyone can get educated.

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Lol not sure where all this came from. I only wrote 1 sentence.
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Consoles have never been more powerful than PC's.

I have a hard time believing anyone over 25 could believe this. I'm not saying you are a kid I'm just saying you'd be the first adult (someone who has been around gaming for awhile) I've ever met to think that.
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Meh... What's inside "Project Scorpio" doesn't really concern me as much as the available games and the quality of those games. I've recently spent a couple of weeks playing "Horizon: Zero Dawn" and I greatly enjoyed this very beautiful game (and especially the overall story which you mostly get through finding Datapoints/Vantages), even when playing it on my original PS4 (not even the Pro version) on a 4K TV. And I've also ordered a couple of other PS4 games to play next - NieR:Automata and Persona 5. Last game I've purchased for my XBOne was sometime last year, I think it was GoW 4 and it wasn't a very memorable experience playing that. Before and after that, I mostly used my XBOne as a media player.

So yea... Even if the next XBox would have a graphical power of fully-enabled GP102 GPU it still wouldn't matter much if it won't have any AAA-grade exclusives (instead of "yet another Halo/GoW/Forza" or re-mastered games which are better to experience on PC) to support all this hardware, and judging from last couple of years of my XBOne experience I don't feel very enthusiastic about getting the next XBox.

This. I also said it- they are bashing Sony with their "real 4k console" and even targeting 60fps but there are no exclusives. I mean sure thing that this console if priced no more than 450-500 at max with 4k TV prices going so rapidly down it would be a deal. PC + good monitor would cost a lot more. I do not think that a $500 PC would handle thinks like the Scorpio so I do think that this would sell very well. I think budget and the majority of the PC users got overlooked at this forum and this is normal but if we think of the price of a PC I think that this should not be underrated.
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they could sell this for 400 and ps4 pro would never be dead. theres more diehard playstation owners then there are owners of xbox's. they can add all they want but they lost this battle along time ago. doesnt mean i wont pick one up. even still ps5 will be right around the corner.
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Sorry I did not know Xbox one was a failure. Please create a news thread so everyone can get educated.

The Xbox One "launch" was a marketing disaster, and then Microsft immediately worked toward undoing their mistakes so the console itself isn't a failure, but Microsoft certainly did have a failure of trust between executives and consumers.
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