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Yea, Forza series is great, or actually more than "great" - it IS currently the best racing game series on consoles, and I've played it too on my XBOne, starting from Motorsport 5 and the rest ones which were released afterwards. Problem is, I get tired/bored playing these sim games very fast and I mostly prefer RPG/Adventure-like games now, and for that XBOne platform (at least as an additional gaming device for a person with a pretty powerful gaming PC) is not a very good choice wink.gif

Hopefully M$ will turn it around and will grab some RPG/Adventure - style exclusive (or semi-exclusive, something that also gets ported to PC afterwards but not to competitor's console models) titles, something with a similar grade to "Horizon: Zero Dawn", "The Last of Us" or "Persona 5", but so far I don't see much activity from MS regarding this. But we'll see when the next XBOne will be officially and fully revealed and ready for purchase.

Don't disagree with anything you said. I bought the One S simply as a Forza/Madden gaming machine for the living room (and I use it for Amazon Prime as well). I'd have probably gotten a PS4 Pro if GT Sport was already out but it was a lot more than the $299 I paid for the One S with Horizon 3 and I actually like Forza 6 more than any GT I've ever played before. I also really want to play BotW but am not really interested in the Switch so hopefully I can find a used Wii U to play it on for cheap.
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Meh... What's inside "Project Scorpio" doesn't really concern me as much as the available games and the quality of those games. I've recently spent a couple of weeks playing "Horizon: Zero Dawn" and I greatly enjoyed this very beautiful game (and especially the overall story which you mostly get through finding Datapoints/Vantages), even when playing it on my original PS4 (not even the Pro version) on a 4K TV. And I've also ordered a couple of other PS4 games to play next - NieR:Automata and Persona 5. Last game I've purchased for my XBOne was sometime last year, I think it was GoW 4 and it wasn't a very memorable experience playing that. Before and after that, I mostly used my XBOne as a media player.

So yea... Even if the next XBox would have a graphical power of fully-enabled GP102 GPU it still wouldn't matter much if it won't have any AAA-grade exclusives (instead of "yet another Halo/GoW/Forza" or re-mastered games which are better to experience on PC) to support all this hardware, and judging from last couple of years of my XBOne experience I don't feel very enthusiastic about getting the next XBox.

I'm really interested to see how Scorpio's market performance would be with how it's going to be 30-50% more powerful than the Pro thus becoming home to best 3rd party performance within the generation and with Play Anywhere titles.

I have no doubt Sony already has the crown with the PS4 this gen in terms of world wide reception but I wonder if MS can retake US back with the Scorpio.

That being said, I prefer Sony's 1st party output and Japanese titles miles ahead of MS exclusives but I really really hope MS goes strong with the Scorpio and gains at least half the marketshare. I like these two companies on edge when it comes to consoles biggrin.gif

I can see one possibility where Xbox takes the global lead, and that would be if Microsoft can reconfigure the Xbox One to consistently out-price the base model PS4 by a significant margin.
Given the specs it should be a cheaper system, and ironically all that useless Kinect stuff could end up being really useful in that it can be totally torn out of the system while staying compatible with the vast majority of games.
Moving the ESRAM off die like they're doing with Scorpio you could cut down the chip significantly, and completely stripping out all the Kinect functionality would probably shrink it a bit more.
Microsoft should be able to hit $199 long before Sony does. I bet we'll see an Xbox Mini sometime in 2018-2019.
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 4/9/17 at 12:47am
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I can see one possibility where Xbox takes the global lead, and that would be if Microsoft can reconfigure the Xbox One to consistently out-price the base model PS4 by a significant margin.
Given the specs it should be a cheaper system, and ironically all that useless Kinect stuff could end up being really useful in that it can be totally torn out of the system while staying compatible with the vast majority of games.
Moving the ESRAM off die like they're doing with Scorpio you could cut down the chip significantly, and completely stripping out all the Kinect functionality would probably shrink it a bit more.
Microsoft should be able to hit $199 long before Sony does. I bet we'll see an Xbox Mini sometime in 2018-2019.

$199 with 4K bluray player? Doubt it.

Isn't the Kinect stuff just software on the console?
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It's good that Microsoft finally updates the Xbox properly, but their biggest problem is the lack of good exclusives.
Most Xbox exclusives have failed hard or has been cancelled so far. I seriously know a guy that bought One S because of Scalebound rolleyes.gif

Microsoft needs to step up their game if they want to threaten Sony. But maybe they just don't care much about the Xbox platform anymore, afterall the "exclusives" can be played on Windows 10, which is the reason I'm never getting a Xbox again.
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I can see one possibility where Xbox takes the global lead, and that would be if Microsoft can reconfigure the Xbox One to consistently out-price the base model PS4 by a significant margin.
Given the specs it should be a cheaper system, and ironically all that useless Kinect stuff could end up being really useful in that it can be totally torn out of the system while staying compatible with the vast majority of games.
Moving the ESRAM off die like they're doing with Scorpio you could cut down the chip significantly, and completely stripping out all the Kinect functionality would probably shrink it a bit more.
Microsoft should be able to hit $199 long before Sony does. I bet we'll see an Xbox Mini sometime in 2018-2019.

There is no chance in hell Xbox can re-take the lead globally as that'd mean they'd need to sell 30+ million consoles whilst Sony sells 0 PS4s at the same time. That would be to just break even. rolleyes.gif

By 2018 we'll likely be hearing about the PS5 as well, so Xbox hasn't any time to even consider a comeback. The gen has been totally lost in a landslide to the PS4 and I think MS have accepted that. It's a shocking position to be in considering how competitive Xbox was last gen, but blame MS's unbelievable decisions with the division for that.

Putting all exclusive games on Windows 10 was just the latest of those crazy decisions. Or officially announcing the Scorpio last year to dent all XB1 sales. Or trying to claim the Scorpio is a beast when all games will be developed with the weak XB1 as the priority because of its bigger userbase.
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I can see one possibility where Xbox takes the global lead, and that would be if Microsoft can reconfigure the Xbox One to consistently out-price the base model PS4 by a significant margin.
Given the specs it should be a cheaper system, and ironically all that useless Kinect stuff could end up being really useful in that it can be totally torn out of the system while staying compatible with the vast majority of games.
Moving the ESRAM off die like they're doing with Scorpio you could cut down the chip significantly, and completely stripping out all the Kinect functionality would probably shrink it a bit more.
Microsoft should be able to hit $199 long before Sony does. I bet we'll see an Xbox Mini sometime in 2018-2019.

$199 with 4K bluray player? Doubt it.

Isn't the Kinect stuff just software on the console?

At the very least they were reserving a CPU core for Kinect at launch, I'm pretty sure they rolled that back in software, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took up some silicon for those features. The Xbox One S still "works" with Kinect, if they kill support completely that might at least simplify the design.

According to teardown estimates the UHD Bluray drive costs $33 vs. $18 for the regular, but the idea of making a barebones Xbox with UHD Bluray is silly.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160805005103/en/IHS-Markit-Teardown-Analysis-Microsoft’s-Xbox-Brings

Come to think of it, circling around back to the ideas they had at launch, they could try to sell an Xbox with no optical drive.
That alone would cut more than 10% off the price of the Xbox One S, but to be really successful they'd have to get well below $199, that's the scenario where I can see it taking off, if Microsoft could sell an Xbox at the same price as an Apple TV people would think long and hard about which box to buy.
Of course the technology isn't there quite yet, but with one more fabrication node upgrade and a bunch of fiddling, I bet they could do it.
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There is no chance in hell Xbox can re-take the lead globally as that'd mean they'd need to sell 30+ million consoles whilst Sony sells 0 PS4s at the same time. That would be to just break even. rolleyes.gif

By 2018 we'll likely be hearing about the PS5 as well, so Xbox hasn't any time to even consider a comeback. The gen has been totally lost in a landslide to the PS4 and I think MS have accepted that. It's a shocking position to be in considering how competitive Xbox was last gen, but blame MS's unbelievable decisions with the division for that.

Putting all exclusive games on Windows 10 was just the latest of those crazy decisions. Or officially announcing the Scorpio last year to dent all XB1 sales. Or trying to claim the Scorpio is a beast when all games will be developed with the weak XB1 as the priority because of its bigger userbase.

I highly doubt PS5 will be out before 2020+
PS4 is a little over 4 years old. PS4 Pro launched 6 months ago.
And getting a brand new platform on release is not the best idea anyway.

Scorpio won't force Sony to do anything. They'll just keep focussing on the best exclusives.
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Starting the game and it being playable are different things.
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Kind of disappointing that they went with optimized Jaguar cores instead of Ryzen cores, performance seems decent enough though. Price is going to be what makes or breaks this console.


Ryzen just came out and it still was rushed because of all the extra work they had to do to fix issues compared to past CPU launches. It simply was too late to consider this on something that had to be finalized months ago.
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