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As a consumer with the budget to buy a high end card, I do not have the confidence that my purchase is going to have its top spot for longer than half a year.

I avoid such dilemmas by buying a certain level of performance, which is generally quite static, and not caring about things that are irrelevant to the practical application of that performance, like how said performance stacks up to future products I couldn't wait for. When I need more performance I then reevaluate what is available, or will be very shortly available, and take the best value that satisfies certain criteria.
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When AMD has Vega on the market and I see some reviews, I will most probably get a 1000 euro card from them, if HBM2 is as good as they claim.

HBM2 is no silver bullet...just more memory performance and I'm highly skeptical of the idea that AMD will have a 1000 dollar/euro consumer part to sell.

I've been waiting to see where Vega stacks up vs. the 1080Ti as I want something to replace my 290X CFX setup in a single card format. I'm not overly optimistic as the main performance issue I'm encountering is a purely fill rate limited scenario...and I'm not expecting Vega to have more than 64 ROPs.
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To an extent.

Demand needs to be filled, but you also need parts that can fill it.
Would probably require a modest PCB redesign to get another twelve GDDR5X ICs on the back of the card without sacrificing clocks. Also, almost no one in the target market for this part will make use of more than 12GiB. These are pure gaming parts.
I've never really cared how much something was cut down...only how it performs and if it fits in my budget.

Sure, I'd like to have one of these, but the 1080 Ti is vastly more appealing because of it's priced ~40% less for 5-10% less performance and there is very little I'd need this Titan Xp for that the 1080 Ti would not also be sufficient in.
NVIDIA is taking advantage of an opening with a product they have; can't let the $1200 segment sit empty (which it essentially was with the 1080 Ti cannibalizing most of the older Titan X's market).
They could probably release a consumer GP100 part, if they really wanted to. Won't have more functional units, but would have vastly more DP performance and 16GiB of HBM.

That would only happen in the event of a significant delay for Volta though and only if it was needed to retake a narrowly lost performance crown.
Depends on if the extra 5-10% in performance is enough to get past some relevant threshold. A rare situation, but not unheard of.
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I avoid such dilemmas by buying a certain level of performance, which is generally quite static, and not caring about things that are irrelevant to the practical application of that performance, like how said performance stacks up to future products I couldn't wait for. When I need more performance I then reevaluate what is available, or will be very shortly available, and take the best value that satisfies certain criteria.
HBM2 is no silver bullet...just more memory performance and I'm highly skeptical of the idea that AMD will have a 1000 dollar/euro consumer part to sell.

I've been waiting to see where Vega stacks up vs. the 1080Ti as I want something to replace my 290X CFX setup in a single card format. I'm not overly optimistic as the main performance issue I'm encountering is a purely fill rate limited scenario...and I'm not expecting Vega to have more than 64 ROPs.

 

I'm honestly glad that we still have you around :D

 

Solid logic :thumb:

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The issue at hand is twofold in my view. Pascal was handled badly and puts the consumer in the delicate position of being a walking wallet and nothing else. Granted consumers have choice to spend or not but in the absence of high end alternatives from AMD, people who needed cards to replace their old cards and enthusiasts who want the best and latest, pulled the trigger.


People purchased Titan cards, best performance card out there. Fast forward, the 1080TI comes out, optimised and with better performance than the king of the hill at a better price. We all applauded NVIDIA, except those who burned cash on the original Titan, for coming to their senses and offering huge performance in the 800-950 EUR bracket.
A month later after the 1080Ti, we found ourselves in a pickle. The 1080Ti for the price range is not the king of the hill and the original Titan is being slapped in the face again. So Titan owners got wrecked twice: first with the 1080ti and now with the new Pascal at the same price of the old titan. All this happened in less than 1 year!


As a consumer with the budget to buy a high end card, I do not have the confidence that my purchase is going to have its top spot for longer than half a year. When I dish out 1000 euros on a GPU, I have certain expectations. I do not want to spend that much and then have NVIDIA release a product on the same price range for 10-15% more performance. I was a 1080ti owner for a few hours and was giddy like a school girl. Just to see that my 850+ euros were spent on a product that will be replaced for the same price range in a few months?

Good post. This release is making me think about this in my case (notes to myself?):

1) Not to upgrade my graphics card every year, but every 2 years or less. Titan X Maxwell/980TI SLI could still handle most games very well, at least in 1440p.

2) Hold on to your wallet. Don't fall for the hype and get blinded by the 10-20 % performance increase.

3) Ditch so called "ultra high-end" with graphics cards because there the high-end will only be high-end for six months and after that card is called midrange. Go for the newest GTX xx70 series or try to grab a bargain 1080 or 1080TI. They are not as expensive and you should still get some money out of them when you sell them. Every other component in our PCs will last years but not graphics cards. Also you can SLI them if you want. Graphics cards are the least of an so called "investment" if such thing even exists here and I have bought them since the Diamond Monster 3D Voodoo1.

4) I don't even have time to game everyday so the money just goes to waste if something better comes out every six months. I could pick a card by the games I actually play. I could even buy high-end cards from the store, finish a demanding game and return it to the store for a full refund. Then chances are I pick up a less demanding game. Crazy but that actually would work in my country with 30 day returns. wink.gif

Probably going to hold on to my "good old" Titan X Pascal for now until 2018 and perhaps go the SLI route if cards start popping up in eBay..
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2015 saw Nvidia Geforce Titan X
2016 saw Nvidia Titan X
2017 saw Nvidia Titan Xp

confusing, yes...who cares it's just a name.

I have no problem with nV charging whatever they want with a unlocked big die, I think $1000 is more fair since no HBM2 in a 2017 flagship.

My gripe last year was Titan X because it was $1200 for a gimped card. At least this time they're not holding back, relatively speaking.

This is OCN, where it's not uncommon that pursuing that extra bit of performance may command a large price gap.

Blame AMD for still dragging their feet with RX Vega.
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Blame AMD for still dragging their feet with RX Vega.


Personally, I didn't expect them to pull this stop till Vega dropped.
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Personally, I didn't expect them to pull this stop till Vega dropped.

^This..Me too..

Very unexpected move from the Green Team..Some people will undoubtedly feel like they're being trolled for sure
   
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Saw this coming when we first heard rumors about the first Titan X (P) and how it was cut down to basically where the 1080ti should of been.
But wasnt expecting it this early. Was expecting another month or 2 if not releasing same week as Vega. Do they know something that we dont and are trying to off load there full chips as soon as they can.
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That kind of business strategy is why they're so much more in business than AMD. tongue.gif

To an extent.

Demand needs to be filled, but you also need parts that can fill it.
Considering they've been using practically the same production unit divided into different segments according to yields, and they still run out of stock everywhere, with even some people buying the same thing twice (Titan "XP" and now Titan Xp), they can't NOT make money.

Reminds me of the people who bought GTA V 2 or 3 times for different platforms.
    
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So in the time it has taken AMD to release VEGA, Nvidia have released a Titan XP, 1080, 1080ti and Titan Xp. How far down the list will the Vega be pushed now, and how cheap will the price have to fall at release to justify it? Will we see the RX Vega, RX Vega X and RX Vega XL all in one go?

Bet these tech sites and YouTube reviewers are having a blast testing Ryzen 7, 1080ti, Ryzen 5, Titan Xp, Ryzen 3 and Vega all in a 3 month window. Add in all the Ryzen conspiracies and AMD vs Nvidia DX12 drama and we have us a massive 3 months. Great time to be a PC enthusiast smile.gif
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so can we expect a 1080tii tongue.gif
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CM Quick Fire Pro CM V1000 CM Trooper modded CM Havoc 
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Phenom ii x6 1075t Asus Sabertooth 990fx CF 2x Asus 6950 directcu ii  2x4Gb Gskill 1333 
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80go Intel x25 ssd series + 500 go Samsung  cooler master V6 gt Win 7 64bit ultimate edition cooler master silent pro 850w 
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HAF 912 advanced 
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i7 6700k 4.5 ghz MSI Gaming M7  Palit 1080 GameRock PE 2x8 go Gskill 3200mhz C15 
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crucial ssd 128 Go Samsung 840 evo 250 Go Hitachi HDD 1To Toshiba HDD 2To 
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Old DVD-RW KRAKEN X61 Windows 10 x64 Acer 27" 144hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quick Fire Pro CM V1000 CM Trooper modded CM Havoc 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii x6 1075t Asus Sabertooth 990fx CF 2x Asus 6950 directcu ii  2x4Gb Gskill 1333 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
80go Intel x25 ssd series + 500 go Samsung  cooler master V6 gt Win 7 64bit ultimate edition cooler master silent pro 850w 
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HAF 912 advanced 
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