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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

While I understand where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. From even an economic standpoint, the Titan Xp does not make sense. It's the same GP102 chip as the both the Titan X Pascal and the 1080 Ti, it just has a few more cores enabled.

Not an expert in economics and business. I can only supply guesses. My guess is that yields were bad and now they were good. This was a new 16nm process after all. Personally I don't really understand market segmentation... I'm talking about putting SKUs out there at various pricepoints and performance levels even if it doesn't always seem to make sense from a production standpoint. But we can see examples of this from other companies (like AMD).

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 Most people would equate "good buy" with a value proposition. That's how the term is used. "Great card" is a given; the Titan Xp is the fastest consumer GPU on the market at this time. Period. No one is arguing that. 

I believe everyone here knows that Titan Xp (lowercase) is the the top gaming card (except Adored, but he's not in this thread :D) and that it has among the worst price/perf out of any card we can think of. My mind automatically ignores both of these points because everyone knows that. So when somebody tries to tell me that it's a 'bad buy' I ignore that possibility. I don't think I've said something so ignorant to the point where people feel like they need to point that out to me. If it came down to that I would be pretty embarrassed.

 

Having read most of the posts in this thread I believe more people are of the opinion that buying a Titan XP is an idiotic thing to do regardless of one's tolerance for price/perf or how much perf one wants. Yeah, that sounds crazy but there are some people who can't let Titan buyers be. There are people who talk about 'e-peen' to try to insult those who buy the Titan and tacitly accuse Titan buyers of supporting unethical business practices (which in turn can mean they are accusing Titan buyers of making life worse for them).

 

 Now, however, you've got a $700 1080 Ti, which is slightly faster than the old Titan X Pascal. This is fine, as it brings Titan X Pascal performance down to a more affordable price point. Good move Nvidia... 

At the risk of seeming overly pedantic to the point of being childish... Does that count as a slap or not? Last post you said the owners were slapped twice. So it's a good move from Nvidia and is fine but it's a slap... So it's a fine slap? I mean, if people are getting slapped twice they have to get slapped two times.

 
 except about a month later, Nvidia has now introduced a new Titan Xp, which is faster by 5-10%, but costs almost twice the price of the 1080 Ti. So, not only has Nvidia suddenly made the original Titan X Pascal the 3rd fastest card, but they have now released a product which makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE in their current lineup based on economic principals; the Titan Xp is a halo card for the sake of being a halo card. Nvidia is basically waiving the card in the face of all the people that bought the Titan X Pascal and saying "HEY GUISE!!! WE GOT SOMETHING FASTER!!! COME BUY IT YOU MONEY BAGS!!!"

I don't know if it's a bad move economically. It could be good or it could be bad. I can't be convinced very strongly in either direction. Intuitively I feel that updating Titan XP with the better ram the 1080ti has which the XP now lacks and bringing out the extra cores from P6000 if yields are now better (and stopping people from sending angry letters about Titan XP not having all cores) would be the right move from Jen-Hsun's POV. Then it's a matter of, do I update this product I can now update with much less problems than before, or do I not release it because some people are going to get pissed off? That seems like a very hard question to answer. And what makes money now might backfire long term. If I were CEO I'd probably do the former. Jen-Hsun has shown over time that he is a good CEO that has taken Nvidia upwards, dominating market share. Unless I have good reason to doubt him I think he's doing a decent job trying to make money.

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I will say this... if Nvidia had priced the Titan Xp @ $1000, I don't think so many people would be angry about it.

I defend Nvidia sometimes and I am saddened by them sometimes.

I do believe Nvidia wants to alter our perceptions of what a reasonable price for a GPU is and if they had their way they would bone us. It is being enabled by AMD's inability to defeat the Titan Xp or 1080ti but if the tables were turned AMD would possibly do the same to us. Neither AMD nor Nvidia should be our friends.


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Is 16nm FF+ node more expensive than 28nm or 40nm ? Because we've seen first time for x80 series cards 650-699 usd prices and for x70 450 usd ?

I know there wasn't any competition when these cards were on sale in may-june 2016 but I just wonder about that.

40 nm 520mm2 die size was 499 USD in 2010

16+ nm 314mm2 die size was 650-699 USD in 2016.

Same things happening for the Titans.
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@DarkWizzie Any Titan is a bad buy at full retail price. I've never heard of any reviewer claim a Titan was a good buy.

the first OG Titan imho was the best card to have bought at retail... look how powerful it was..6gb of vram was unheard of, it was on par with the gtx 690 .. so it was sort of a good deal with 4gb more ram

yes the 780 dropped soon after.. but with much less cores and half the vram.. also no DP..the titan could be bios flashed and on water some could hit 1300mhz.. from the stock 837mhz
the kepler cores was strong too so you really did see a difference when overclocking not like now maxwell / pascal watered down cores

4 years on theyre still worth 2-300 too.. so yes the first OG titan was my favourite card of all time followed by the 980 ti tongue.gif



anyway on this Titan Xp talk..

I do think Nvidia could of released the XP with all the cores in the beginning but it would of probably hurt 1080 & 1070 sales because instead of people buying SLI 1080 they would of just gotten the Xp
they didn't want it to seem like the XP was that much better imo so they cut it down so it seems like a decent increase but no so much that you would buy one over a 1080, but now the 1080ti is out they release the full chip to give you options and have every option covered for the consumer = max profits..
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Am I the only one who thinks Nvidia's decisions make sense for us ? Because as you know that there is no competition in the market. So, monopoly rule the market as it wants until the competitor comes back right ?

If you don't want to pay 1200 bucks then you can choose 1080 Ti.. Its price 699 bucks with 3584 shader 11GB G5X memory..

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Is 16nm FF+ node more expensive than 28nm or 40nm ? Because we've seen first time for x80 series cards 650-699 usd prices and for x70 450 usd ?

I know there wasn't any competition when these cards were on sale in may-june 2016 but I just wonder about that.

40 nm 520mm2 die size was 499 USD in 2010

16+ nm 314mm2 die size was 650-699 USD in 2016.

Same things happening for the Titans.

Or... Do not buy and force better prices. Aka vote with wallet?

It is easier to blame no competition though. smile.gif
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Voting with your wallet is like trying to hold off a tsunami with a colander. If you don't buy something, there are still thousands of people who are still willing to, ultimately making your boycott little more than grandstanding rather than actually causing a change in the market.
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They still have room for a 24GB Titan Xp Black! redface.gif
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This is exactly what happens when you let a competitor have a market all to itself. We have next to no info on Vega performance and NVIDIA is flooding the market with cards
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How come there's no review for this new Titan Xp yet? like there has to be someoen bought it right?
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How come there's no review for this new Titan Xp yet? like there has to be someoen bought it right?

Wccftech is your friend.
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Wow look what I bought today for $1200! Im so glad I didnt spend the $1200 on this silly nvidia card! woop woop!

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