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It is, though. It's a toy compared to the real compute Teslas. Nvidia can say that it's not a gaming card all they like, but when it's designed like a gaming card, performs like a gaming card, and is optimised like a gaming card... well, it is what it is. Nvidia has delineated very clearly between Geforce / Quadro / Tesla and the Titan has more in common with Geforce than it does with Tesla. Its 'prosumer' use is much more limited in scope than the original Titan was at the time.


Essentially this. cheers.gif  

What about the Quadro equivalent? Is it not the same GPU and only drivers and BIOS difference? What makes Titan different is price. A gaming card at a non gaming card price hence a non gaming card.
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Well it kind of does if you look at performance. Titan OG which is 4 years old still hangs with 250-300 GPUs in performance. Ferrari example is extreme but is just for maximum effect. Maybe not a Ferrari but AMG merc. Something exotic that depreciates fast.

I can confirm this as my old OG Titans still perform more than adequately today given a 1300MHz OC on water cooling. My old bench scores in the benching section from 3-4 years ago are still quite respectable if I say so myself! biggrin.gif Definitely the longest lasting cards I've ever owned (but the price I paid was their actual prices at the time). Titan is NEVER a smart financial decision but at least these cards have lasted me very well.
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Only because he didn't get it for free this time.

yet.

They are good products and deserve good reviews. Sure this release could've been a few months too early but whatever, they have no competition and the people who bought the old titan X had their GPU's earlier.
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The Titan name is a joke now because none of them have the 64 bit floating point for it to mean anything. The only TITAN cards that were truly different are the original GK110 Kepler TITAN , 2 x GK110 GTX TITAN Z , and GK110 TITAN Black. These "Titans" could just be called GTX 1080 Ti Ultra or GTX 1080 Ti 3840.

The TITAN X Maxwell? It and the Quadro M6000 are both 1/32 FGP32 for FP64.
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What about the Quadro equivalent? Is it not the same GPU and only drivers and BIOS difference? What makes Titan different is price. A gaming card at a non gaming card price hence a non gaming card.

Quadro P6000 based off P102 also has 1/32 FP32 for FP64 performance.

The only Nvidia Pascal GPU with adequate FP64 is the 1/2 FP32 from the GP100 chip used in the Nvidia Tesla P100. This is the only adequate step from Kepler era Quadro K6000 , Tesla K20 / K40 /K80, and GTX TITAN Black which all have 1/3 FP32 for FP64 performance.
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What about the Quadro equivalent? Is it not the same GPU and only drivers and BIOS difference? What makes Titan different is price. A gaming card at a non gaming card price hence a non gaming card.

 

P6000 versus Titan Xp fits into the more limited prosumer use that I was talking about. For a more serious workstation environment where GP100 is somehow not feasible, the P6000 offers superior professional-oriented driver support and double the RAM. If the Quadro price-tag is too much, we're probably talking about a relatively small production environment, and one where double-precision compute is not a priority. In labs I've worked (biomedical research and bioinformatics) the Titan was a great value because it offered competitive double-precision FP performance at a very appealing price, something that isn't so true of Titan Xm, XP, or XPP.

 

The P6000 is designed entirely around workstation use and thus has support, drivers, and market orientation towards that use. If the Titan wasn't a gaming card, it would just be a Quadro P5500. It's very obviously marketed towards gamers and Nvidia's denial of its status as such is a patently transparent method of deflecting questions/criticisms by pre-loading their quiver with some very convenient answers. It's a gaming card that can be used for some prosumer workloads.

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The Titan name is a joke now because none of them have the 64 bit floating point for it to mean anything. The only TITAN cards that were truly different are the original GK110 Kepler TITAN , 2 x GK110 GTX TITAN Z , and GK110 TITAN Black. These "Titans" could just be called GTX 1080 Ti Ultra or GTX 1080 Ti 3840.

The TITAN X Maxwell? It and the Quadro M6000 are both 1/32 FGP32 for FP64.
Quadro P6000 based off P102 also has 1/32 FP32 for FP64 performance.

The only Nvidia Pascal GPU with adequate FP64 is the 1/2 FP32 from the GP100 chip used in the Nvidia Tesla P100. This is the only adequate step from Kepler era Quadro K6000 , Tesla K20 / K40 /K80, and GTX TITAN Black which all have 1/3 FP32 for FP64 performance.

110% this.

 
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What about the Quadro equivalent? Is it not the same GPU and only drivers and BIOS difference?

Better support/warranty, ECC, and twice the memory.
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What makes Titan different is price. A gaming card at a non gaming card price hence a non gaming card.

What makes the Titan a consumer/gaming card is it's lower expectation of reliability and lack of ECC.

It's an expensive toy, but still a toy.
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If you value FP64 performance and insist on a Quadro, Quadro GP100 is a thing now.

Also good for those who want maximum epeen, since this is the only nVidia GPU with HBM2 that also comes with display outputs and is in PCIe format. Oh, and retail price is likely to be >$5000. Honestly if you're buying Titan Xp for the epeen, yer doin' it wrong.
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Quadro GP100, in it's likely partially enabled state, is almost certainly slower than the Titan Xp in most areas, despite the faster memory, even if you can OC it to similar clocks.
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Wow look what I bought today for $1200! Im so glad I didnt spend the $1200 on this silly nvidia card! woop woop!

Well, if you like it good for you. Kind of off topic.

 

Also off topic: For me that is a silly purchase... Given it for free it'd be useless if I couldn't sell it.

 

 

Now let's not pull a Bikerboy like that one guy last year that started posting pictures of his bikes and houses, getting the thread locked.

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Honestly kinda surprised they released a full Titan after this long, but hey if you can sell it why not.
I can buy a rifle for cheaper than your bike, and it'll last much longer in the real world. Do I win?

Yes, this is the bargain hunting forum. :hannibals 

 

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I think what they are trying to point out is that you can calculate the price in dollar per FPS which would be the most FAIR imo.

Then... he did a piss poor job of pointing that out because he wrote two dumb sentences. Three people have tried to dissect what he was trying to say with 3 different conclusions. Since he's too lazy to even bother going beyond two sentences now (no followup), I'll give him the least charitable interpretation.

 

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The dollar per fps for the 1080ti and the Titan X (old Pascal) didn't make sense at those price ranges.
IMO the Titan Xp (new one) is better "value" than their old bridging the gap between 1080ti value vs titan X's value.

Well, I'd argue that price for perf wise, 1080 to Titan XP was a better deal than 1080ti to Titan Xp now... Unless Xp's going to be 15-20% faster than 1080ti. Plus now with 1080ti the gain in vram going to Titan Xp is much less substantial (1GB) compared to 1080 vs Titan XP.

 Tip, you can buy a rifle, find a guy on a bike, shoot him off of it and you get a rifle + free bikes.
Let me put it this way.
Someone could kill you with a motorcycle, but you cannot ride your rifle. wink.gif

:D 

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It will be interesting to see if the Titan-Xp will be the fastest card for the rest of the year until Volta. I'd imagine it would have to be considering it's the full chip. Vega I think will slot inbetween the GTX 1080 and 1080Ti for a very good price.

At this point it seems like a bad move given the PR to make Titan Xp dethroned before Volta at the end of the year.

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It's meant to be dry humor, as in you can't put a price tag on epeen or having the absolute best, hence even a $1000 increase in price would be "worth it" if that's what you're gunning after. A 70% increase in price for even a 10% increase in performance is still terrible value. The other stuff you mentioned I think you're reading into my post a bit too much. If anything, I'm poking fun at the "epeen buyers".

Okay, I'll read less into it. Still not a fan of people jabbing at 'epeen buyers' though. Sometimes I want to go crazy and get the best and I become proud and happy to have such a project going (like a giant water cooling loop). I would be annoyed if I were made fun of for my choice. So, if I were a Titan XP buyer I would probably feel the same way.

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If the new Titan was $1000, I would grab one, and two if SLI support looked more promising.

I feel like Titan should best be at $1000 and stay there for the forseeable future. Not that Nvidia cares what I think.

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So Titan Xp = the new Titan Z?

Titan Z was just two GPUs that costed more than the sum of its parts and I believe performed worse than the sum of its parts. The Titan Xp is most definitely not that.

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God forbid the big spoiled reviewers have to spend $1200 on a GPU to get hits.

*shrug*
Many reviewers might feel that it's more trouble than it's worth to cover a $1200 card if they have to pay out of pocket. That's really Nvidia's loss. Based on the way you speak that should be a good thing.

 

Still waiting for your explanation for your reply to me.

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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

Titan Black still got quite a few reviews. Titan Z was the one that nVidia refused to sample to press.

Which is a metric that I don't think people actually care much about. Whether a product is an utter failure or not doesn't ride on that fact. You seem to be trying to conflate two things on purpose: Calling Titan Xp a ridiculous failure like Titan Z and just pointing out that the similarity is the lack of reviewer samples. Be more clear about what you mean by Titan Xp = Next Titan Z next time to prevent misunderstandings.

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He's just upset because Nvidia didn't cave in to him wanting 2 Xp's for the Terry Crews build that's he's unveiling next week.

On some level, it is a crappy position to be in. He makes an ultimate build for Crews and now 1080ti and Titan Xp come out at the just worst moments for his project. Keep in mind this is not the same exact thing as a Titan XP gamer getting it on launch, playing with it the entire time, and only just now getting the news that their card isn't king of the hill anymore. Crews still doesn't have it yet. And when he gets it it's already 2 notches down. On top of that, it's not even for himself. It's for Crews, who's famous and he wants to do right by him. Awkward.

On the other hand you might actually have a point there. Original Titan he ranted, no card? (I think) Titan Z he ranted, but it's Titan Z so... yeah. Now Titan Xp he didn't get a card.

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Though to his credit, the defence of 'oh, the Titan Xp isn't really a gaming card' is laughable at best. It's not getting a second look from anyone in my field when it continues to offer 1080-level FP16/64 performance. The OG Titan was a one-off, a GPU that allowed some workstation environments/labs (like one I was working in at the time) to save a bit on a bulk order. Since then it's been Tesla or bust for compute.

True... at this point I think the marketing doesn't try to obfuscate that anymore. Titan is a gaming card, Nvidia I think tacitly admits it and the press knows it.

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That's the excuse that Nvidia uses for the people that get salty when a new card comes out that beats it out. "It's not a gaming card so your bad!".

When have they actually said that...?

As far as I can tell they are making it more and more clear it's not even a compute card, it's a really expensive gaming card.


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Wow look what I bought today for $1200! Im so glad I didnt spend the $1200 on this silly nvidia card! woop woop!



A little more than the Titan Xp, but this is where I went with my fun money for the next month or so. Purchased before the Xp release, but still close enough.



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Well, if you like it good for you. Kind of off topic.

Also off topic: For me that is a silly purchase... Given it for free it'd be useless if I couldn't sell it.


Now let's not pull a Bikerboy like that one guy last year that started posting pictures of his bikes and houses, getting the thread locked.
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