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So i kinda did some math.

1860 mhz is same performance as 2000 mhz for 3840 cores and 3584 cores, respectively.

About approximately 7% faster, due to extra 256 cores.

Not a huge gap really. Get the 1080 Ti, then wait for Volta Ti or AMD version if they ever get something out, maybe that Vegas of theirs probably will, but not much news on AMD vegas.
     
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So i kinda did some math.

1860 mhz is same performance as 2000 mhz for 3840 cores and 3584 cores, respectively.

About approximately 7% faster, due to extra 256 cores.

Not a huge gap really. Get the 1080 Ti, then wait for Volta Ti or AMD version if they ever get something out, maybe that Vegas of theirs probably will, but not much news on AMD vegas.
The answer is always get the ti unless money is no object. The only reason Titan X Maxwell held its value was Hackintosh support for gaming. Otjerwise it would have been $50 more than the 980ti used. Buying a Titan for $1200 only gets you 8-10mo advance access to ti performance at the price of $500
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I have had all but 1 of the Titan revisions. I have resold them all at more than 70% value two years later. It has nothing to do with the fact it works on Mac or this or that. They simply retain value better. The 980Ti is now $300 on eBay and I just sold a TM for $750 a week ago. This has been the trend on Titan since the first run. I have always bought an essentually free new Titan by selling my old Titans and then paying for my second out of pocket.

If you think the Xp is a bust dont buy it but if you haven't owned them and resold them for the last years please dont try and speak with authority. thumb.gif

Yes the Titan gap got closed by 980Ti but it came out months later. Everything we are sold is long out of date and in 6 months it will be old news.

Nvidia doesnt look at it like we do. They arent looking at EVGA FTW 3 compared to Titan Xp or any number aftermarket cards. They look at it as a stock 1080Ti is beat by a stock TXp. This is an overclocking forum and we are all used to getting more performance for less money water cooling etc. That being said this is not a huge market in first place and even smaller of people that even know what a Asus EVGA MSI etc are. Most go into the store and buy whatever lol.

Volta will kill TXp. 980Ti was faster then my TXM! Did I get the urge to go get one or feel cheated? No because I just sold mine for $750+ and people are getting $300 for a 980Ti which was $700 new. I run 21:9 60Hz there was no game in the last two years I couldn't get more than 100 FPS in with settings maxed out short of Metro or something that was coded terrible. I wasn't sitting there thinking man if I get a 980Ti that is 10% faster this would be so much better. For what ever reason personally the Titan scratchs my upgrade bug. I am not always chasing the new small gain.

I agree the Titan makes less sense at $1200 then $999 but its what the market will bear. Some will pay to own Titans some think they are a ripoff compared to Ti cards. Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank on all of us.

The things that have always sold me on Titans is the VRAM. I am fortunate to be able to afford good computer hardware. Every time I build a system before Titans they would run out of VRAM before power. I had plenty of GPU and the 3Gb Vram was 100% maxed out killing my FPS. Titans fixed that for the time being for me. It was always crap having top tier cards cripple by not power but tiny amounts of Vram in SLi or Tri SLi.
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I have had all but 1 of the Titan revisions. I have resold them all at more than 70% value two years later. It has nothing to do with the fact it works on Mac or this or that. They simply retain value better. The 980Ti is now $300 on eBay and I just sold a TM for $750 a week ago. This has been the trend on Titan since the first run. I have always bought an essentually free new Titan by selling my old Titans and then paying for my second out of pocket.

If you think the Xp is a bust dont buy it but if you haven't owned them and resold them for the last years dont try and speak with authority. thumb.gif

Yes the Titan gap got closed by 980Ti but it came out months later. Everything we are sold is long out of date and in 6 months it will be old news.

Nvidia doesnt look at it like we do. They arent looking at EVGA FTW 3 compared to Titan Xp or any number aftermarket cards. They look at it that a stock 1080Ti is beat by a stock TXp. This is an overclocking forum and we are all used to getting more performance for less money water cooling etc. That being said this is not a huge market in first place and even smaller of people that even know what a Asus EVGA MSI etc are. Most go into the store and buy whatever lol.

Volta will kill TXp. 980Ti was faster then my TXM! Did I get the urge to go get one or feel cheated? No because I just sold mine for $750+ and people are getting $300 for a 980Ti which was $700 new. I run 21:9 60Hz there was no game in the last two years I couldn't get more than 100 FPS in with settings maxed out short of Metro or something that was coded terrible. I wasn't sitting there thinking man if I get a 980Ti that is 10% faster this would be so much better.

I agree the Titan makes less sense at $1200 then $999 but its what the market will bear. Some will pay to own Titans some think they are a ripoff compared to Ti cards. Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank on all of us.

The things that have always sold me on Titans is the VRAM. I am fortunate to be able to afford good computer hardware. Every time I build a system before Titans they would run out of VRAM before power. I had plenty of GPU and the 3Gb Vram was 100% maxed out killing my FPS. Titans fixed that for the time being for me. It was always crap having top tear cards cripple by not power but tiny amounts of Vram in SLi or Tri SLi.


It depend on country and location I guess, for my country Titan loses its value super fast due to no warranty or very limited support from Nvidia. This isnt the case for previous Titan generation prior to Pascal as we have the Titan available from Aib brand which have customer support.
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You are right, but there is a crucial difference; Maxwell had a lot more overclocking headroom, and it was mostly dependent on thermals. Unfortunately with Pascal, we hit a hard cap around 2100-2200mhz on the core across the entire line. This means that those extra cores matter when it comes to absolute performance.

If the 1080 Ti ends up being faster, then so be it, but I highly doubt Nvidia would sell the TXp for so much more if they knew it was going to be slower when both the 1080 Ti and TXp are overclocked.

It would be hilarious if Titan Xp was slower than 1080ti plug and play or both overclocked on air with fans maxed. If that happens I'm going into troll mode.

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What if you do a lot of single precision compute work and don't require Quadro features?
I can think of plenty of scenarios where a custom loop would serve essentially zero practical purpose, or would be outright harmful.

My HTPC, for example. It's essentially inaudible, and can run at full load with either one of it's two 800rpm fans working. Putting a loop in it would double it's cost, increase it's mass, not reduce noise, and without two pumps in series, reduce reliability. It would also be pointless in most of my older systems, mostly because of cost.
The moment there is something faster than the Titan Xp, it's value will fall to just above that of the 1080 Ti, because that's where it's performance is and it has no special features to otherwise set it apart.

On the subject of excessive, I believe it's possible to have excessive water cooling. Just have so much rad space to the point where adding another rad doesn't change temperature in a measurable way. That point comes a lot earlier with a 7600k and a single GPU.


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I have had all but 1 of the Titan revisions. I have resold them all at more than 70% value two years later. It has nothing to do with the fact it works on Mac or this or that. They simply retain value better. The 980Ti is now $300 on eBay and I just sold a TM for $750 a week ago. This has been the trend on Titan since the first run. I have always bought an essentually free new Titan by selling my old Titans and then paying for my second out of pocket.

If you think the Xp is a bust dont buy it but if you haven't owned them and resold them for the last years please dont try and speak with authority. thumb.gif

Yes the Titan gap got closed by 980Ti but it came out months later. Everything we are sold is long out of date and in 6 months it will be old news.

Nvidia doesnt look at it like we do. They arent looking at EVGA FTW 3 compared to Titan Xp or any number aftermarket cards. They look at it that a stock 1080Ti is beat by a stock TXp. This is an overclocking forum and we are all used to getting more performance for less money water cooling etc. That being said this is not a huge market in first place and even smaller of people that even know what a Asus EVGA MSI etc are. Most go into the store and buy whatever lol.

Volta will kill TXp. 980Ti was faster then my TXM! Did I get the urge to go get one or feel cheated? No because I just sold mine for $750+ and people are getting $300 for a 980Ti which was $700 new. I run 21:9 60Hz there was no game in the last two years I couldn't get more than 100 FPS in with settings maxed out short of Metro or something that was coded terrible. I wasn't sitting there thinking man if I get a 980Ti that is 10% faster this would be so much better. For what ever reason personally the Titan scratchs my upgrade bug. I am not always chasing the new small gain.

I agree the Titan makes less sense at $1200 then $999 but its what the market will bear. Some will pay to own Titans some think they are a ripoff compared to Ti cards. Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank on all of us.

The things that have always sold me on Titans is the VRAM. I am fortunate to be able to afford good computer hardware. Every time I build a system before Titans they would run out of VRAM before power. I had plenty of GPU and the 3Gb Vram was 100% maxed out killing my FPS. Titans fixed that for the time being for me. It was always crap having top tear cards cripple by not power but tiny amounts of Vram in SLi or Tri SLi.

Thank you. Although I doubt any of that sticks with these apparent experts of gpu's value market. Funny thing is most of them own a mid-range card from 3 years ago.
 
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So is this the general tldr? This is a 1080ti with some more cores and 1gb more mem for an extra $500, and it's going to be the fastest NVidia card for quite a while, and people are upset that NVidia slow played their hand?
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I have had all but 1 of the Titan revisions. I have resold them all at more than 70% value two years later. It has nothing to do with the fact it works on Mac or this or that. They simply retain value better. The 980Ti is now $300 on eBay and I just sold a TM for $750 a week ago. This has been the trend on Titan since the first run. I have always bought an essentually free new Titan by selling my old Titans and then paying for my second out of pocket.

If you think the Xp is a bust dont buy it but if you haven't owned them and resold them for the last years please dont try and speak with authority. thumb.gif

Yes the Titan gap got closed by 980Ti but it came out months later. Everything we are sold is long out of date and in 6 months it will be old news.

Nvidia doesnt look at it like we do. They arent looking at EVGA FTW 3 compared to Titan Xp or any number aftermarket cards. They look at it as a stock 1080Ti is beat by a stock TXp. This is an overclocking forum and we are all used to getting more performance for less money water cooling etc. That being said this is not a huge market in first place and even smaller of people that even know what a Asus EVGA MSI etc are. Most go into the store and buy whatever lol.

Volta will kill TXp. 980Ti was faster then my TXM! Did I get the urge to go get one or feel cheated? No because I just sold mine for $750+ and people are getting $300 for a 980Ti which was $700 new. I run 21:9 60Hz there was no game in the last two years I couldn't get more than 100 FPS in with settings maxed out short of Metro or something that was coded terrible. I wasn't sitting there thinking man if I get a 980Ti that is 10% faster this would be so much better. For what ever reason personally the Titan scratchs my upgrade bug. I am not always chasing the new small gain.

I agree the Titan makes less sense at $1200 then $999 but its what the market will bear. Some will pay to own Titans some think they are a ripoff compared to Ti cards. Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank on all of us.

The things that have always sold me on Titans is the VRAM. I am fortunate to be able to afford good computer hardware. Every time I build a system before Titans they would run out of VRAM before power. I had plenty of GPU and the 3Gb Vram was 100% maxed out killing my FPS. Titans fixed that for the time being for me. It was always crap having top tier cards cripple by not power but tiny amounts of Vram in SLi or Tri SLi.

Who's the idiot that gave you $750 for a TXM? LOL
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A custom 1080 Ti is probably faster unless you WB the Titan Xp.

Lmao, nice one. lachen.gif

People's cards are boosting to 1911Mhz out of box & can be ran at around ~2030-2050Mhz with OC & fan curve adjustment. Considering 1080Ti/"Old" TXP need ~100Mhz more to match TX little p's performance, good luck.

Also wasn't it you who was saying a few days back how Nvidia's stock cooler in pretty good. It was in another thread, but pretty sure it was you.
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That reminds me of all Ryzen threads before its benches.

So I will say this- all of these are pure speculations and have no credibility.

So far I see that some people who ordered Titan Xp are pulling out off no where some magic numbers how TITAN Xp will be 10%+ faster in games thatn AIB 1080Ti. And some others pulling out off nowhere numbers and argument that 1080Ti AIBs will be as fast as TITAN Xp (or very close to) in games.

People saying Xp will OC that, will achieve that, will have that, temps will be that. BS. Nobody tested it yet, so all of it is just a fantasy now. Benches= legit.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1235557/official-top-30-heaven-benchmark-4-0-scores/3520#post_25998366

http://www.overclock.net/t/1518806/fire-strike-ultra-top-30/1740#post_25998012

http://www.overclock.net/t/1606006/3dmark-time-spy-benchmark-top-30/970#post_25995587

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Edited by rt123 - 4/10/17 at 8:12am
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Did you catch me saying "GAMING" benches? GAMING. GA-MI-NG. GAMES.

I still didn't see any gaming beches of TITAN Xp. Nor OC results from users, anything apart from 3 benches of FS, Heaven etc. And pure benches does not behave like games.

There are not detailed tests of gaming performance vs 1080Ti AIBs. I want to see if it will really be 10% or not.

Still speculations at this point. We need data to see where Xp sits right now and how much advantage does it have in games.
Edited by Benny89 - 4/10/17 at 8:32am
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