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If you're sticking to only one gpu there is absolute value in a TXp over a 1080Ti. If you can afford it of course. But lets be real here if you can afford to drop $700 for a gpu you can swing $1200 for one. That's why there's a ton of guys unloading Ti's right now.

The word "value" isn't limited to just currency.
I can see your point if the Xp is consistently 10 frames faster than a Ti or stays above 60 frames in games. 10 more frames can be useful in 4K titles. Doesn't seem like that will be the case though. There's a video on YouTube with someone running Witcher 3 4K/Ultra settings on an Xp and the framerate dips below 60 frames.
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That doesn't make sense for few reasons:

1. Ti buyers are not TITAN buyers period. Those people know TITAN is only e-peen and has no performance to money value. They wait for Ti to get best performance for best price. They woul buy original TITAN XP otherwise. That is logical.
2. Ti is still top card in terms what you get for how much. I mean 700 bucks for top performance vs 1200 bucks for 7-10% better than that performance? Lol, none Ti owner would pay for it because again- they are not TITAN target.
3. For 1400 bucks you can have 1080Ti SLI, beating crap out of TITAN Xp. That is 200 bucks more only for totally better performance. Again - Ti is best performance per value.
4. TITAN Xp is to milk TITAN XP owners who will sell their XP to buy Xp to again be at top - to have the longest. Because they were hit by Ti release the most (their pride and ego I mean) and now NVIDIA gave them option to again be on top, have the longest for another 1200 bucks. And you know what they will do? They will buy it! Because you don't buy TITAN for performance if you can have 8% less for 500 bucks less. You buy it for ego, that e-peen factor- I have the best. People won't take proud in that, but belive me, many TITAN XP owners already ordered Xp probably without even selling TITAN XPs yet.
NVIDIA knows it and milks rich people that will PAY ANY PRICE just to know they have the best, even by 5%. LUXURY product.

I have nothing against TITAN Xp. Rich people may buy whatever they want. I wish I could consider 1200$ a small amount. Really.
Their money, their business. But NVIDIA is just playing on their ego, just on ego.

Anyone with cool, logic head (even rich) would buy TI, having 7 less fps in games and invest those extra 500 bucks in wallet in custom water loop, or good sound card and good mouse/keyboard on top of that. Or ivest in SSD etc.

TITAN is like Lamborgini, Aston Martin etc. Nobody buy it for ergonomic reasons, for performance, comfort, materials, gas waste, build quality etc. You'd buy Audi, Mercesdes, Volvo etc. for that.

You buy it for peen, cause you can and others can't. Simple as that.

Lamborghini is still the fastest car on the Nurburgring. Just sayin.
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Lamborghini is still the fastest production car on the Nurburgring. Just sayin.

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Again you are telling that from a rich person perspective if you think Xp has value. No, me droping 700$ of Ti is droping one full salary here. I had to save money for last few months ahead planning of getting this 1080Ti. 1200 is pure stupidity for me (2 salaries, really?).

But you are right, I can buy TITAN Xp. But I see no value to it. I have just bought myself new premium case (Phatneks Tempered Glass)- 190 bucks, Prodigy wireless mouse 85 bucks (best wireless mouse on market), sound card 80 bucks and new 480 GB SSD for 150 bucks. That is total 510 bucks.

And you want me to drop all of the usefull things I can buy myself for 8% more performance? Mate, that absolutely makes no sense. That is poor investment in any possible way. Look how much I could buy myself for that 500 bucks and still having top of the line card, that has only 8%, maybe 10% less performance, is deadly quiet, have better temps, looks better, has RGB (important for me) and local support from supplier. I also buy single card. SLI is mess.

You are rich, you don't get it.

For me- there is no value in TITAN Xp. At all. Poor investment at best. From not-rich person perspective.

I think your forgetting not everyone thinks about value.. there are also hardware enthusiasts here.. and the simple fact of having a card that is not cut down that is a full chip.. there is some value in that knowing you have a card which is unlocked ... the 1080 ti might be the best value card? maybe? but 1080ti owners had to wait 8 months to get TXP performance? is that really great value for money? to me it seems just okay not value orientated at all.. because you know when the Ti drops its the end of the Gen so you have the best performance for the least amount of time while the first Titan XP owners get to have the best performance for the longest amount of time, the Ti is not value its just cheaper that's all neither are value imo.

the TXp is a different story and is there for those who want to go one up instead of getting a 1080 ti or the previous titan owners, its not meant for the people who want good value for money.

oh & I can guarantee the Titan Xp will hold its money well even through the next Gen just because of its Mac support alone.
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Lol first the (totally expected) slap to the face of Titan owners with the 1080Ti, now this. Then again, if I had more money than I knew what to do with, what would I care?

Bought this 1080Ti with the intention of dumping it whenever Vega hits (if it can come within 5% or so). I felt dirty paying Nvidia money when I first bought it and still do to this day.
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Well, although the price/performance is really bad with Titan series cards, there is one thing that any x80 Ti card will not have that isn't a Lightning or K|NGP|N and that is resale value. Most 980 Tis that are for sale are going for $320-350, which is roughly half of what it originally costed. Titan X Maxwell is still successfully selling at $650-700+ used.

When you consider that people who couldn't or didn't purchase XP when it first came out and had to wait 8 months to get the same performance at a better price point leads me to believe that Titan owners are actually getting their money's worth out of these cards, especially when you can recoup 70% of the cost when upgrading to the next generation. Yeah, $1,200 is a lot for some plastic, metal and silicon, but if you can turn around and sell it for $900 after owning it for nearly a year, then it isn't so bad in the long run.
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At my sister's birthday this weekend, I found out that my brother-in-law just paid $300K cash for a car. Made me go out and get 2 of these things with ease.
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I have had all but 1 of the Titan revisions. I have resold them all at more than 70% value two years later. It has nothing to do with the fact it works on Mac or this or that. They simply retain value better. The 980Ti is now $300 on eBay and I just sold a TM for $750 a week ago. This has been the trend on Titan since the first run. I have always bought an essentually free new Titan by selling my old Titans and then paying for my second out of pocket.

If you think the Xp is a bust dont buy it but if you haven't owned them and resold them for the last years please dont try and speak with authority. thumb.gif

Yes the Titan gap got closed by 980Ti but it came out months later. Everything we are sold is long out of date and in 6 months it will be old news.

Nvidia doesnt look at it like we do. They arent looking at EVGA FTW 3 compared to Titan Xp or any number aftermarket cards. They look at it as a stock 1080Ti is beat by a stock TXp. This is an overclocking forum and we are all used to getting more performance for less money water cooling etc. That being said this is not a huge market in first place and even smaller of people that even know what a Asus EVGA MSI etc are. Most go into the store and buy whatever lol.

Volta will kill TXp. 980Ti was faster then my TXM! Did I get the urge to go get one or feel cheated? No because I just sold mine for $750+ and people are getting $300 for a 980Ti which was $700 new. I run 21:9 60Hz there was no game in the last two years I couldn't get more than 100 FPS in with settings maxed out short of Metro or something that was coded terrible. I wasn't sitting there thinking man if I get a 980Ti that is 10% faster this would be so much better. For what ever reason personally the Titan scratchs my upgrade bug. I am not always chasing the new small gain.

I agree the Titan makes less sense at $1200 then $999 but its what the market will bear. Some will pay to own Titans some think they are a ripoff compared to Ti cards. Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank on all of us.

The things that have always sold me on Titans is the VRAM. I am fortunate to be able to afford good computer hardware. Every time I build a system before Titans they would run out of VRAM before power. I had plenty of GPU and the 3Gb Vram was 100% maxed out killing my FPS. Titans fixed that for the time being for me. It was always crap having top tier cards cripple by not power but tiny amounts of Vram in SLi or Tri SLi.

The OG Titan held its value because of its FP64 capability, and was basically a Tesla on the cheap if you didn't care about professional support. Also 6GB vram was actually useful compared to the pitiful 3GB on 780 and 780 Ti. The Maxwell and Pascal Titans not so much. Sure there are a handful of games that might max out 6GB at 1440p or higher, but it's far less limiting than 3GB was compared to 6GB vs 12 GB.

Anyways if you sold a Maxwell Titan X for $750 then just be thankful your buyer clearly didn't bother doing any research.
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Who's the idiot that gave you $750 for a TXM? LOL

SAVAGE

But so true. biggrin.gif
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If you're sticking to only one gpu there is absolute value in a TXp over a 1080Ti. If you can afford it of course. But lets be real here if you can afford to drop $700 for a gpu you can swing $1200 for one. That's why there's a ton of guys unloading Ti's right now.

The word "value" isn't limited to just currency.

If that 8-10% difference is perceptible to you then yes I can agree the Xp would have better "value" over a 1080 Ti.

Otherwise no.
Edited by magnek - 4/10/17 at 6:13pm
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At my sister's birthday this weekend, I found out that my brother-in-law just paid $300K cash for a car. Made me go out and get 2 of these things with ease.

So you have bought 2 Titan XP, 2 1080ti, and 2 Titan Xp in the past year? That's straight up ballin.
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Lamborghini is still the fastest car on the Nurburgring. Just sayin.

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FTFY.

I refuse to believe that that lap time is legit.

#FAKENEWS..
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