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GeForce 20 possibly arriving in a couple of months? Xp owners best not be too salty.


The are planed for 2018 but the might surprise us earlier maybe November. I doubt it will be earlier as I am skeptical about how many Vega AMD can and will get to the market, being busy with Rysen. Probably lacking AIB cards and priced high their impact on the market might be limited, except make people wait.

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I have put up quite alot of thinking in anticipating what will the next GV104 bring to the table. All based on analyzing previous generation to generation leap and changes. Based on what you said, 10% performance will directly go to clock speed. Meaning we will be seeing Max OCed of 2.3-2.4 GHz on the new chip. That is the assumption.

Let us look at PER CORE improvement for the past 2 architecture leap.


Kepler -> Maxwell: +35% (Improved architecture, same process node)
Maxwell -> Pascal: +40% (Improved process node, same architecture)
Pascal -> Volta: ~ +35-40% (Both)


I think the prediction is rather underwhelming. When you can see 35-40% per core performance increased with just one of the factor changed. I dont see why Volta will not be 35% leap when you have both factor IMPROVED. In fact I expect more than that. Of cos with ACE included, DX 12 titles could improved as much as 50% per core. Who knows? But as of now, I tend to stay at the modest 40%.

Now the 3072 cores isnt some random number I conjured. Going for the past 3 iteration of GXX04 chip, the count core increase has rather been consistent


GK104 -> GM204 -> GP104 -> GV104

1536 -> 2048 -> 2560 -> ????


Predicting the next logical core count isnt something that hard. Of course that is assuming the consistency is maintained, then it will be logical to have a 3072 cores GV104.


Now whether a 3072 cores chip is feasible or not, we will have to look at its anticipated die size and things will start to make sense.


A 3072 cores will be 75% the die size of a 3840 cores GP102. Combining that with a 20% space reduction from 16 -> 12nm, we can easily predict the new GV104 to be only 60% as large, or 283mm sq. Of cos that is ignoring all the new goodies that comes with the new architecture (ACE compute unit anyone?). So a more realistic GV104 die size will be anything from 300-320mm sq. That put it right in the comfortable range of GXX04 chip size.


Now if we are taking 35%-40% per core improvement into account, 10% will comes from process node or faster clock, ~25% will comes from IPC.


That will mean the hypothetical 512 cores GPC performance of Volta will match the GPC of Pascal (at 640).


A 6 GPC GV104 will match a 6 GPC GP102 clock for clock, but the former will edge out thanks to 10% faster clock (from 12nm). That means the new GV104 GTX 1180 will be 10-15% faster than Titan XP at stock. However once OCed the margin start to close in (sound familar? Hint: GTX 1080 vs TXM).


Each GPC of Volta is likely to be fed with a 64-bits controller using a even faster G5X at 12gpbs (This chip does exist, you can refer it from Micron G5X page). Giving it a total of 576 GB/s worth of memory Bandwidth. Is it enough? Yes it is, even without any memory compression enhancement from Pascal to Volta. I will be estimating that Volta will offer >100% perf per watt over Pascal (as usual), so its likely a 150-170W TDP GPU as well.


There you have it, a new 12nm small die chip that is 10-15% faster than TXP (Rmb GTX 980 vs. Titan Black?) and it is as small as GP104. Nvidia will start to charge $599 for this chip (once again) since it need to maintain its profit margin when transiting from 16nm to 12nm node.
I can predict JHH exclaiming: "Can you believe it? It is faster than a $1200 Titan XP at half the price!"


TLDR: I am not expecting a BIG LEAP in performance in the next GTX 1180 card. Neither is it cheap or HBM based if AMD still fails to catch up.

Yes yes I can. It's called "technological improvement". biggrin.gif
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If this rumor is true. I bet titan xp will be replaced by titan volta within 9 months.

And i just realised april mark the launch window of titans which has been official release period since 2013. Which means the first txp 2016 was an "accident"! Not in the plan but this final titan Xp is.

As i guess txp 2016 was a accident and it was suppose to be the original 1080 ti below they start removing 1gb of g5x for the sake to make the titans look better.
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We won't be seeing Volta for quite a while still is my guess which kind of fits in with the release of the Xp. Especially if Vega fails to deliver meaningful competition for the 1080Ti because Nvidia will be under little pressure to release anything new for a while. This being a totally new architecture (AFAIK) it won't be as simple as Pascal which was largely a die shrink of Maxwell.
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I'd be willing to bet there would be an announcement this summer for a fall launch...

I'll hold off for the big die Volta though.
 
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I'd be willing to bet there would be an announcement this summer for a fall launch...

I'll hold off for the big die Volta though.

Could be, we'll see. I think you will be 100% correct if Vega turns in a strong performance.
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$1200 came out of your pocket....

Any person in finance will tell you that.
Just as someone buying something on sale and saying they saved X dollars.
No you did not save X dollars. You spent X dollars.

Lol no. 

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GeForce 20 possibly arriving in a couple of months? Xp owners best not be too salty.

I haven't seen a single Titan XP owner complain about Xp. It's truly a psychologically twisted exercise to be outraged for people who aren't outraged themselves.

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We won't be seeing Volta for quite a while still is my guess which kind of fits in with the release of the Xp. Especially if Vega fails to deliver meaningful competition for the 1080Ti because Nvidia will be under little pressure to release anything new for a while. This being a totally new architecture (AFAIK) it won't be as simple as Pascal which was largely a die shrink of Maxwell.

The marketing technique Nvidia is employing here, it's the same one AMD used in september. They started rumors "Vega in October".

Now that AMD's high-end is up to bat, you hear the same thing.... "Volta this year!".

My guess is probably November-December for the High-end *Actually Midrange* cards, The 2080 will probably offer close to Titan XP performance. That being said, it could always be a disaster, or a Pascal rebrand at 12nm. No one knows at this point.
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Lol no. 
I haven't seen a single Titan XP owner complain about Xp. It's truly a psychologically twisted exercise to be outraged for people who aren't outraged themselves.
How many owners around the world have you surveyed? Post is old and so is the Xp. Don't care. Awaiting GeForce 20 while I enjoy my Ti. thumb.gif
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Out of the box the 1070 is faster than the 980Ti though. I think that was kind of his point.

Yes if you compare stock 980 Ti reference vs 1070 FE/Custom maybe.
But 980 Ti custom generally beats 1070 FE/Custom.

There's a huge difference between 980 Ti reference and custom cards, ~20% jump in performance, out of the box.

There's barely difference between 1070 FE and custom cards, around ~5% more performance.

Fully clocked 980 Ti will easily beat 1070 and perform pretty much on par with 1080 in most cases.

Tried 1070, it was a clear downgrade for me. 1080 was a side-grade, in some titles maybe 10% gain (fully clocked, custom air cooled). Not worth it.

1080 Ti was tempting, but I'm awaiting Vega or Volta now.
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