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post #2091 of 2904
3 weeks with using this boards onboard audio vs my objective 2 AMP/DAC its not bad actually.

Best on board audio i ever had.

Still miss my Objective 2 a little

Decided to just use 1.375V 3.8ghz even if temps reach 80C under prime now whatever i rarely ever push this chip this hard anyways.


Basically saving up money for future ryzen revisions
post #2092 of 2904
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Originally Posted by Korrektor View Post

I got some time to get some more frustration and suffering so I decided to reboot few more times to see if that "62 problem" persists or I just got lucky last times.

And bad news is that I was able to reproduce that. As mentioned by datonyb It wasn't 62 but b2 (e.g. there is none top horizontal line)
The BIOS freezes are coupled with the very small text "4b" in the right lower corner. I also got some weird reboot loops (like every few seconds) that could be interrupted only by powering off the system

It seems to be memory-related so that CPU voltage changes I made were once again a placebo-effect

So I decided to start from a scratch and resetted the bios (not by the button but by removing the battery this time)
I manually restored most of the settings (e.g not from saved profiles - set the cpu to 3900 and 1.37 voltages for both the VID and VCORE, SoC voltage to 1.05, slightly reduced the VDDP, picked the 3200 XMP profile, 1T command ratio, enabled Geardown)

I guess I need more clarification in memory settings that I barely touched previously.
Again, my ram kit is dual-rank F4-3200C14D-32GTZR 2x16gb with default timings 14-14-14-34

1. Should I really go with 1T+GD ON or 2T ratio is preffered in case of dualrank modules? From what I know 2T provides less performance but its not fully clear for me how this works and how big is the impact
2. What procODT can be used in my case? It was on auto till this point. I haven't touched that yet because the system performed mostly fine last couple of days but it seems that I will need more tweaking and test everything more thoroughly (I generally avoided very long testing sessions, e.g. after waiting an hour or so I assumed that I'm mostly fine)
3. What about the "bank group swap"? I've read the recommendation (not sure about the source) to set it to "bankGroupSwap enabled" and "bankGroupSwapAlt disabled". Currently I decided to left this on auto and it is basically the opposite (e.g. Alt enabled, "normal" bankGroupSwap is disabled)
4. Maybe any other suggestions to get it stable at 3200?

I really wish to get the most of my system but this tweaking process takes a plenty of time and becoming more annoying. Will I lose much if everything will fail and I'll just stay within 2933-3066 range? (speaking of games and adobe software that I mostly work with - I'm using this PC both as my workstation and gaming pc)

I am using the exact same ram and board. So I hope I can help.

I have most items on Auto, of course, XMP is on, voltages are on Auto.

CPU LLC is Level 5, SOC LLC is Level 2.

For your dual rank modules you should set

Bank Group Swap - enable
Bank Group Swap Alt - disable

I am using CR 1T with GD disable but that may not work for you. The Ram ist rated at CL 2, so I first would use that until the System is stable. After everything works, try to tighten it. The difference should not be huge, but every bit counts,

The System always worked flawless in Windows, but had the occasional cold boot Problem (around 1 in 10-15 tries won't boot with code 94).

After changing ProcODT from Auto to 60 Ohm I have not seen this behaviour and it booted without issues.

I of course expect you using lates UEFI 3.20. There have been many changes from earlier Versions..
Edited by Spectre73 - 10/18/17 at 3:44am
post #2093 of 2904
hci memtest was giving me errors at 40% so i increased the TWR to 18, upped the voltage by 0.005v and changed the ohms to 53.3 from 60. I still get an error but its at about 650%. just can't be asked with this anymore. Is it OK to run my system like this for a few months before i probably upgrade to zen plus.
post #2094 of 2904
Thanks. For some reason default settings wasn't working for me so I gone the voltage regulation way but never touched ProcODT previously (I found that most recommendations are between 60-68.8 ohm). I still think that I'll keep the SoC at 1.05 and VDDP at 0.85-0.9 as this seems to be helpful too (default values are 1.1 and 0.95), this is the values few people recommended to me in this thread (I've also seen Stilt comment that 1.05 SoC is probably optimal for most of the modules) and I found to be the recommended ones in Ryzen timing calculator table for Samsung modules

I would like to try keeping them on defaults and trying only manually set ProcODT but I am getting tired of all of this trial and error process and I'm not really willing to test this scenario too
Anyway if I will not get satisfying results in a couple of next days I guess I'll just reduce the ram frequency a bit and postpone all of this tweaking for better times

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Originally Posted by Spectre73 View Post

I am using the exact same ram and board. So I hope I can help.

I have most items on Auto, of course, XMP is on, voltages are on Auto.

CPU LLC is Level 5, SOC LLC is Level 2.

For your dual rank modules you should set

Bank Group Swap - enable
Bank Group Swap Alt - disable

I am using CR 1T with GD disable but that may not work for you. The Ram ist rated at CL 2, so I first would use that until the System is stable. After everything works, try to tighten it. The difference should not be huge, but every bit counts,

The System always worked flawless in Windows, but had the occasional cold boot Problem (around 1 in 10-15 tries won't boot with code 94).

After changing ProcODT from Auto to 60 Ohm I have not seen this behaviour and it booted without issues.

I of course expect you using lates UEFI 3.20. There have been many changes from earlier Versions..


p.s. Got the same b2 error on Dr.Debug display today one or few times while changing bios settings.
It never happens on all defaults
What is that, actually? There is none such code on AsRock site, I suppose that it can be just signature of "B2" ram slot as ram is placed in the A2-B2 slots according to manual, but I'm not sure
Edited by Korrektor - 10/18/17 at 10:01am
post #2095 of 2904
Quote:
Originally Posted by Korrektor View Post

I got some time to get some more frustration and suffering so I decided to reboot few more times to see if that "62 problem" persists or I just got lucky last times.

And bad news is that I was able to reproduce that. As mentioned by datonyb It wasn't 62 but b2 (e.g. there is none top horizontal line)
The BIOS freezes are coupled with the very small text "4b" in the right lower corner. I also got some weird reboot loops (like every few seconds) that could be interrupted only by powering off the system

It seems to be memory-related so that CPU voltage changes I made were once again a placebo-effect

So I decided to start from a scratch and resetted the bios (not by the button but by removing the battery this time)
I manually restored most of the settings (e.g not from saved profiles - set the cpu to 3900 and 1.37 voltages for both the VID and VCORE, SoC voltage to 1.05, slightly reduced the VDDP, picked the 3200 XMP profile, 1T command ratio, enabled Geardown)

I guess I need more clarification in memory settings that I barely touched previously.
Again, my ram kit is dual-rank F4-3200C14D-32GTZR 2x16gb with default timings 14-14-14-34

1. Should I really go with 1T+GD ON or 2T ratio is preffered in case of dualrank modules? From what I know 2T provides less performance but its not fully clear for me how this works and how big is the impact
2. What procODT can be used in my case? It was on auto till this point. I haven't touched that yet because the system performed mostly fine last couple of days but it seems that I will need more tweaking and test everything more thoroughly (I generally avoided very long testing sessions, e.g. after waiting an hour or so I assumed that I'm mostly fine)
3. What about the "bank group swap"? I've read the recommendation (not sure about the source) to set it to "bankGroupSwap enabled" and "bankGroupSwapAlt disabled". Currently I decided to left this on auto and it is basically the opposite (e.g. Alt enabled, "normal" bankGroupSwap is disabled)
4. Maybe any other suggestions to get it stable at 3200?

I really wish to get the most of my system but this tweaking process takes a plenty of time and becoming more annoying. Will I lose much if everything will fail and I'll just stay within 2933-3066 range? (speaking of games and adobe software that I mostly work with - I'm using this PC both as my workstation and gaming pc)
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Originally Posted by datonyb View Post

@ amir007

to be fair there are a few that think the 1700 non x is the finer silicon (due to be binned as capable of low tdp) but thats not the issue here
as said the 1800x is fine if your happy the price you paid

what sierra and most of us are trying to say and help you with sounds incorrect but it is very correct

it is possible to get the ryzen running lower MAX volts with a higher clockspeed than its stock settings

my system is set to 3.9 all cores fixed with a max volts of 1.325 (and will drop to around 0.500 on idle)

i dont know if the 1800x can drop as low and remain stable ,but thats what advice here will help you find out (the exact charector of your own cpu )

regarding the case fans (or lack of)

you realise when you fit an aftermarket 'sideflow' fan and heatsink you have removed the normal 'downdraft' over the vrms and board ?
irrelevent to size of case in my view case fans become MORE important when the heatsink and fan are changed for the normal sideflow type

Just picked up a water cooling kit from Microcenter and my temps are much better now.




I still can't figure out how to up the voltage on this thing. It's set to 1.35000 but in h/w monitor it reads 1.248v or something. I upped it to 1.4 and voltage still remeains the same. Should i use offset/fixed option or something? ***?
post #2096 of 2904
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Originally Posted by Amir007 View Post


Just picked up a water cooling kit from Microcenter and my temps are much better now.




I still can't figure out how to up the voltage on this thing. It's set to 1.35000 but in h/w monitor it reads 1.248v or something. I upped it to 1.4 and voltage still remeains the same. Should i use offset/fixed option or something? ***?

This is because VCORE seems to be related to parameter under "voltage configuration" (right next to CPU load line calibration there is a CPU Vcore voltage)
E.g. if you want to be both the VID and VCORE to stay at 1.35 you need to input this value twice (in CPU frequency and voltage change where you type your frequency and in the voltage configuration below)
If you already done this and you're not running 3.9 or 4.0 ghz all the time (e.g. using default boost mechanism) then probably this behaviour is fine as CPU will drop its voltage when not in use or not under heavy load (even in my case where I run 3.9 fixed all the time minimal voltage drops to 0.400).

Take my words with a grain of salt as I'm not a professional by any means, as you can see I am experiencing some troubles too
post #2097 of 2904
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Originally Posted by Korrektor View Post

This is because VCORE seems to be related to parameter under "voltage configuration" (right next to CPU load line calibration there is a CPU Vcore voltage)
E.g. if you want to be both the VID and VCORE to stay at 1.35 you need to input this value twice (in CPU frequency and voltage change where you type your frequency and in the voltage configuration below)
If you already done this and you're not running 3.9 or 4.0 ghz all the time (e.g. using default boost mechanism) then probably this behaviour is fine as CPU will drop its voltage when not in use or not under heavy load (even in my case where I run 3.9 fixed all the time minimal voltage drops to 0.400).

Take my words with a grain of salt as I'm not a professional by any means, as you can see I am experiencing some troubles too

Geez this getting confusing for me. Sorry, it's been so long since i've done REAL overclocking. The last time i was having fun with hardware was during the Athlon Thourgobred processor, barton, mobile one...fun years but can you tell me exactly where in the bios is the setting where if I set the Vcore too high it'll damage the CPU. I know i'm probably asking you to restart your system and jog down the notes but I need to know this just in case I do something stupid.

Also, where is the Multiplier for the CPU? I can't find it. How come when I play games such as BF1 and GTA V. (no longer crashing btw since the help from the nice community here) but i noticed its locked at 3.7GHz. I have not done any OC at all yet. I thought this cpu is stock 3.6ghz? Right? I have water cooling now so how do I adjust 4ghz constant to show when i game? I know that I'll need t up my cpu voltage to 1.35 as well because right now in bios it reads 1.244 i think even though its set to 1.35000 which im still confused about.

What voltage is max safe with water cooling? and where exactly in bios do i need to go to adjust this? Please type step by step bcuz when im in there i see voltages for cpu everywher so im not sure which one ure talking about.
Edited by Amir007 - 10/18/17 at 1:27pm
post #2098 of 2904
I wrote the stuff below this before I read all your errors and such. Stop messing with soc and proc and Vid. If your having a problem booting at 3.9 and 3200, just reset everything. Just reset in bios too, you don’t need to pull battery. When it keeps rebooting, I’m guessing it’s an F9 error which is memory. Just scroll down and up your DRAM voltage to 1.39 and try again. Probably fix your problem. You need to get bootable and stable before getting into all the other things like soc and vid and proc.
I’ve had my system for 6 months and played with every setting. My 1700 will run Prime95 for days
Only things I have not default:
1. Fans on Full Speed(I been messing with subtimungs, that’s a whole new story for a few weeks from now for ya)

2. CPU frequency at top of configuration page set to 3800.

3. CPU voltage at top of configuration page set at 1.325

4. LLC level 1 for both on configuration page.

5. XMP is set at 3466 on configuration page

6. Enter DRAM Configuration on configuration page, scroll to bottom and set gear down enabled. I am running 1T, your ram should be able to do this easily so I’d set it to 1T.

One tip, set the cpu frequency and voltage and LLC and memory voltage and up the dram voltage and enable geardown first. Then boot to windows. Then reboot and enter bios and set your memory speed. The boards a little finicky about the order you do things. My computer is as stable as any, more then most by far. You may even want to use all my settings and then tweak.
Good Luck, you shouldn’t be having this many issues! Maybe something is faulty but I don’t think so. You’ll get there, takes allot of times at 100% cpu usage, like 100 hours to get it exactly at max frequency at lowest voltage!


The stuff Below:
I wouldn’t go above 1.45. You can again do exactly as I said before and follow my steps. First default everything again as you may have changed some stuff you don’t need to. You don’t need to use offset voltage as someone mentioned. At top of page, I like to set BCLK TO MANUAL and enter 100 but auto is 100, so that’s just me. At top of page set cpu frequency to 4000 and voltage at top of page to 1.400. Set Both llc’s to level 3 and reboot. See if you got lucky and got a chip that can do 4.0ghz, the go back to bios and set to xmp profile and 3200 speed. Go down to DRAM Configuration and scroll all the way to bottom and enable gear down. That’s it, your done except for seeing if maybe you can get 4.1ghz(4100). Then you can try 3333 or 3466 on the memory. I’d leave the memory alone other then xmp for now and find out the sweet spot in your overclocking. If it boots and you can run Prime95 for 8 hours, try 4.1. If it doesn’t boot or crashes, try 3.9(3900). Once you find your stable overclock, then start lowering the voltage a step at a time and rerun Prime95 for 8 hours. Rinse and repeat till you get the max overclock at the lowest voltage that won’t crash.

I forgot one thing, put your fans to full speed while testing. You can lower it when you find out where you are.

It’s not hard, just time consuming. Wait till you get to the memory sub timings,😄
Edited by sierra248 - 10/18/17 at 4:39pm
post #2099 of 2904
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Originally Posted by sierra248 View Post

I wouldn’t go above 1.45. You can again do exactly as I said before and follow my steps. First default everything again as you may have changed some stuff you don’t need to. You don’t need to use offset voltage as someone mentioned. At top of page, I like to set BCLK TO MANUAL and enter 100 but auto is 100, so that’s just me. At top of page set cpu frequency to 4000 and voltage at top of page to 1.400. Set Both llc’s to level 3 and reboot. See if you got lucky and got a chip that can do 4.0ghz, the go back to bios and set to xmp profile and 3200 speed. Go down to DRAM Configuration and scroll all the way to bottom and enable gear down. That’s it, your done except for seeing if maybe you can get 4.1ghz(4100). Then you can try 3333 or 3466 on the memory. I’d leave the memory alone other then xmp for now and find out the sweet spot in your overclocking. If it boots and you can run Prime95 for 8 hours, try 4.1. If it doesn’t boot or crashes, try 3.9(3900). Once you find your stable overclock, then start lowering the voltage a step at a time and rerun Prime95 for 8 hours. Rinse and repeat till you get the max overclock at the lowest voltage that won’t crash.

I forgot one thing, put your fans to full speed while testing. You can lower it when you find out where you are.

It’s not hard, just time consuming. Wait till you get to the memory sub timings,😄

Alright I will finally try this soon and let you know. I think I get it now. Thank you for over explaining it to me. I only have CPU fan 1 populated by the water cooler but that records the pump speed as my fan is plugged via Sata power cable NZXT comes with. I can control my radiator fan via CAM software...its pretty nice actually it has all the tools you need. So far my rig is very stable and not crashing anymore but again I'm not sure if its because I removed the AMD power chipset drivers that gives you Ryzen Power plan.

I'll report back. Thanks again sierra.
post #2100 of 2904
Eh, I think that I will stay with 3066, at least for now till I'll be in mood to continue. I feel like I'm spending a lots of time to nothing or few percents of performance
Even if I get stable in windows there is occasionally random boot problems (like that b2 code or 3 reboot loops every couple of seconds with resetting the bios to default, etc.)
For instance today I've passed two hours of full AIDA testing (including CPU, FPU, memory) but when I rebooted few times and tried to cold boot I failed to boot or got into reboot loop once and this fast three reboots sequences looks and sounds not pleasant at all (Like your PC is dying or something)

What I've applied in total during this days when doing research at this problem (I mentioned this previously a plenty of times in different posts but just as overall conclusion):

- Updated the bios right after win10 installation using instant flash (in two stages, as it was required for some reason - e.g. first I've updated to 3.0 and then to 3.2. Both installations were made on default settings)
- Reduced the SoC to 1.05 and VDDP to 0.85-0.9 (this values seems to be the optimal according to few sources including this forum)
- Increased the RAM voltage (up to 1.36-1.38, not that much, but however sensor readings show generally higher values up to 1.4. I know that they can be wrong (e.g. that software sensors suck). I just afraid keeping ram at high voltages, but maybe I'm wrong and should push it to 1.4?)
- Changed LLC values a few times (they seem to cause no changes)
- Applied 60-68.8 ohms ProcODT value instead of going auto
- Changed BankGroupSwap / BankGroupSwapAlt values (e.g. left them on auto, then fully disabled, then swapped one to another)

Values that I haven't touched yet but thought of:
- Timings. As I understand choosing more loose timings could help bring stability but It feels like a trade-off and as I'll get bigger latencies
- T2 command rate. Logic behind this is basically the same - as I've seen in different sources it will in fact descrease performance and I'm felling that another 100mhz simply not worth it.
- CLDO VDDP. I found little info about that but as I understand in is somehow involved in memory OC. It was on auto all the time

Some good info I found that can help myself in the future (and probably someone else who will read this thread):
- If your windows is installed in UEFI you can disable CSM mode in bios (some legacy way to boot) and this will greatly cut loading times (I wish I knew this a week ealier, all of this long-lasting reboots every few minutes to change something was painful to watch. I also had the Plextor pci-e drive loading stage that added like 5+ seconds to boot times so despite my system is installed on very fast 960 evo I had to wait for about a minute in total every time

- Disabling AM4 Advance boot Training
Now this is questionable part and probably a game changer, because as I understand this is the main reason of the default double-boot behaviour and triple-rebooting in case of failed memory settings (and probably that b2 error as well)
Disabling this reduced the boot time even more. I wonder if I could just disable this when I got stable in windows and be ok? Or as it failed to calibrate on next cold boot it just meant that my testing was not representative and I could end up with bsods and errors once anyway?

I really want someone to comment on this last thing - is it really that necessary or it just messes up with the overclock and stable ram work can be achieved without it
Sad that I haven't paid much attention to this as with both of this options enabled I got much bigger boot times and wasn't able to try out more stuff

Currently I'm running basically on all auto settings at 3066 (just OC'd the cpu again and bumped LLCs, as well as disabling CSM and ram training) and everything seems fine
Edited by Korrektor - 10/18/17 at 5:01pm
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