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You need to start thinking and using the knowledge we are giving you. I will help you forever, but helping means you have to think and use the information given. Case airflow explained in this link.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/0_20#post_22319249

I am using all the information you give and thinking with it. But I really can't compute thinga like you do as there are too many variables.

I know for a fact that it's better to have more intake than exhaust for a positive pressure case. But I'm not sure if a 360mm rad on top set as exhaust is enough or if I need the rear fan to be set as exhaust too. This is why I'm asking for your suggestion. I have no problems reading lengthy responses from you as I want to learn.

So I'm not sure how to discern if you're ok with my responses or not but believe me I'm thinking smile.gif
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I am using all the information you give and thinking with it. But I really can't compute thinga like you do as there are too many variables.

I know for a fact that it's better to have more intake than exhaust for a positive pressure case. But I'm not sure if a 360mm rad on top set as exhaust is enough or if I need the rear fan to be set as exhaust too. This is why I'm asking for your suggestion. I have no problems reading lengthy responses from you as I want to learn.

So I'm not sure how to discern if you're ok with my responses or not but believe me I'm thinking smile.gif
i'm not sure either. Build and test it both ways to see which is giving you what you want.

Edit: You can use a cigarette, incense stick, even an open flame like a lighter to check what direction air is flowing though holes / small vents in case.
Edited by doyll - 4/8/17 at 5:25am
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I am using all the information you give and thinking with it. But I really can't compute thinga like you do as there are too many variables.

I know for a fact that it's better to have more intake than exhaust for a positive pressure case. But I'm not sure if a 360mm rad on top set as exhaust is enough or if I need the rear fan to be set as exhaust too. This is why I'm asking for your suggestion. I have no problems reading lengthy responses from you as I want to learn.

So I'm not sure how to discern if you're ok with my responses or not but believe me I'm thinking smile.gif

I am using two F140SP as intake, with a 360GTS with three F120MP as exhaust up top. I eventually set up the rear exhaust only to spin if in case temps get too high (it hasn't moved since I did that, btw). Having the rear exhaust even at low speeds was pulling a ton of dust in through the rear of the case. So....that said....typically the three exhaust on the rad would be more than enough for your build.

Also....you want a GTS rather than a GTX because it performs better at lower fan speeds. Unless you are intending on having your computer sound like a vacuum cleaner, you want a good quality slim rad. The GTS is the absolute best in that category..

If it were my rig, I would put the H220X up front, and a 280 or 360GTS up top, and add a small reservoir. Adding a reservoir will make your life a world easier filling and bleeding. If you go with the 280, you can simply take the included intake fans from the case and use them, since you will be hard pressed to find a better fan for that particular application at any price.
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I am using two F140SP as intake, with a 360GTS with three F120MP as exhaust up top. I eventually set up the rear exhaust only to spin if in case temps get too high (it hasn't moved since I did that, btw). Having the rear exhaust even at low speeds was pulling a ton of dust in through the rear of the case. So....that said....typically the three exhaust on the rad would be more than enough for your build.

Also....you want a GTS rather than a GTX because it performs better at lower fan speeds. Unless you are intending on having your computer sound like a vacuum cleaner, you want a good quality slim rad. The GTS is the absolute best in that category..

If it were my rig, I would put the H220X up front, and a 280 or 360GTS up top, and add a small reservoir. Adding a reservoir will make your life a world easier filling and bleeding. If you go with the 280, you can simply take the included intake fans from the case and use them, since you will be hard pressed to find a better fan for that particular application at any price.

 

How does the rear exhaust of your setup pulling a ton of dust in through the rear of the case? Was air going through the PCIe vents and cycling through the rear exhaust fan?

 

Based from what I'm reading, a thick low density rad also allows for lower fan speeds as a thin high density does. Is this accurate?

 

I'm trying to visualize how to put the H220-X in front of a case but how will the correct orientation be? Would it sit this way or this way?

 

Do you think adding a 280 GTS will be more than enough for my loop? I would want that option since, as you've said, I can use the included 140mm fans (are they F140SP's also?) but I'm thinking that a 360 GTS will make my temps better.

 

For the reservoir, isn't the built-in reservoir of the H220-X enough? But yeah, no problems I can consider buying this as well. How small do I need?

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http://www.anidees.com/ai-crystal/ai-crystal

Anidees A1 Crystal. Had not heard of these cases until recently read a review, they had nothing to say but good things about it. Reviews on Newegg are also very positive.

Very full featured tempered glass case with really good watercooling support.
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How does the rear exhaust of your setup pulling a ton of dust in through the rear of the case? Was air going through the PCIe vents and cycling through the rear exhaust fan?

Exactly. I wind up with too much negative pressure.
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Based from what I'm reading, a thick low density rad also allows for lower fan speeds as a thin high density does. Is this accurate?

Yes....and no. That is correct, but a GTS will still outperform a GTX at low fan speeds. The SR2 is a beast at low fan speeds. But....you also have the whole thing where a thick rad covers half your CPU block, makes install a PITA, looks kind of silly, etc. And you are falling right into the "cram more than necessary into the case" trap that has been warned against previously.
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I'm trying to visualize how to put the H220-X in front of a case but how will the correct orientation be? Would it sit this way or this way?

If you go with the pump at the bottom, as shown in the second pic, you never have to worry about the pump getting damaged if your fluid gets a little low.
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Do you think adding a 280 GTS will be more than enough for my loop? I would want that option since, as you've said, I can use the included 140mm fans (are they F140SP's also?) but I'm thinking that a 360 GTS will make my temps better.

A little quick math tells us that a 280mm and 360mm rad have almost the same surface area. Given that you will have more rad than actually necessary with either, you would likely see absolutely no performance difference at all. But....the 280mm would be quieter. wink.gif
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For the reservoir, isn't the built-in reservoir of the H220-X enough? But yeah, no problems I can consider buying this as well. How small do I need?

It doesn't have to be small. Pick something you like the looks of that will fit. Yes, you could do it with just the built in res, but getting it filled and bled is a royal pain when you expand. A res will simply give you a much easier and safer (harder to run the pump dry) way to fill, and a little eye candy for the case.
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Exactly. I wind up with too much negative pressure.
Yes....and no. That is correct, but a GTS will still outperform a GTX at low fan speeds. The SR2 is a beast at low fan speeds. But....you also have the whole thing where a thick rad covers half your CPU block, makes install a PITA, looks kind of silly, etc. And you are falling right into the "cram more than necessary into the case" trap that has been warned against previously.
If you go with the pump at the bottom, as shown in the second pic, you never have to worry about the pump getting damaged if your fluid gets a little low.
A little quick math tells us that a 280mm and 360mm rad have almost the same surface area. Given that you will have more rad than actually necessary with either, you would likely see absolutely no performance difference at all. But....the 280mm would be quieter. wink.gif
It doesn't have to be small. Pick something you like the looks of that will fit. Yes, you could do it with just the built in res, but getting it filled and bled is a royal pain when you expand. A res will simply give you a much easier and safer (harder to run the pump dry) way to fill, and a little eye candy for the case.

 

What was originally a plan of just adding a GPU WB and a single 120mm radiator has come close to being a custom waterloop, lol. No worries though, I honestly am excited about this and I think it's about time to fully get my feet wet :thumb:

 

Alright that makes complete sense, the GTS it is :)

 

Why would having the pump at the bottom make sure that the pump will not get damaged? Is it because of gravity getting into work making sure that liquid gets to the inlet port of the pump instead of air? I understand that with the res -> pump order logic, but how does it work with the H220X having its res and pump in one "housing"?

 

You're right, 39200 mm2 vs. 43200 mm2.

 

Is choosing a res purely by aesthetics? Oh and do I ever need QDC's in my loop? And would it be just fine if I keep the stock H220X fans for the 240mm rad?


Edited by kevindd992002 - 4/8/17 at 10:41am
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@ciarlatano

 

Is getting the GTS 280mm X-Flow fine compared to going with the non-X-Flow?

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@ciarlatano

Is getting the GTS 280mm X-Flow fine compared to going with the non-X-Flow?

The x-flow doesn't cool quite as well, but the difference is not dramatic.
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The x-flow doesn't cool quite as well, but the difference is not dramatic.

But if you check the reviews here: http://www.xtremerigs.net/2016/02/19/13271/ , they virtually perform the same at 1300 RPM fan operation. And they are way less restrictive than the non-XFLOWs. What do you think?

And am I fine running 1 GTS 280mm and 1 GTS 240mm xflow/non-xflow rads in the Evolv?
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