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AMD’s new highly anticipated Ryzen CPU has shown impressive performance in benchmark tests, propelling the company’s stock price from less than $2 to over $13 in a little over a year. Now a new test has found that a $1,780 PC running AMD Ryzen processors destroys a $5,660 Apple Mac Pro when it comes to Photoshop performance.

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Apple apologized for its Mac Pro line this week and promised to release “something great” in 2018 for professional creatives. Based on the results of this Tech Guy test, it seems Apple has quite a bit of catching up to do.



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thats not really a surprise, to apple defense most people who uses mac for that type of work uses final cut which can't be run on windows.
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This just in, architecture from 2017 is faster than architecture from 2013...
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This just in, architecture from 2017 is faster than architecture from 2013...

No, silly! It means Apple is bad. It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

Also, comparing a custom system to an OEM system is practically always disingenuous. Apple needs to make money, and marking up customization options and the hardware itself is the obvious way. A Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any workstation is going to, shockingly, make money the same way!

The main difference is that the Internet has an irrational hate for Apple and that you can't get OS X on a custom system (legally, that is), so you're forced to buy from a company the Internet dislikes. Hence videos like this.
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It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

It's also there're current system, which they're selling at more or less release price. Other OEMs offer a way better value.
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No, silly! It means Apple is bad. It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

Also, comparing a custom system to an OEM system is practically always disingenuous. Apple needs to make money, and marking up customization options and the hardware itself is the obvious way. A Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any workstation is going to, shockingly, make money the same way!

The main difference is that the Internet has an irrational hate for Apple and that you can't get OS X on a custom system (legally, that is), so you're forced to buy from a company the Internet dislikes. Hence videos like this.

Exact nice post!

Unfortunately we can't blame completely consumers for this, nor apple!

We can blame consumers only because most of people are ignorant now about tech stuff, in the last 15 years either you follow because you have passion about, either you got raped.

We can blame aple, intel, lenovo/IBM, dell, because they slowly took advantage of that moving to a lower end sold like high end!
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No, silly! It means Apple is bad. It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

Also, comparing a custom system to an OEM system is practically always disingenuous. Apple needs to make money, and marking up customization options and the hardware itself is the obvious way. A Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any workstation is going to, shockingly, make money the same way!

The main difference is that the Internet has an irrational hate for Apple and that you can't get OS X on a custom system (legally, that is), so you're forced to buy from a company the Internet dislikes. Hence videos like this.


Essentially this illustrates the need for Apple to speed up their product cycle or they will not be able to stay competitive.
    
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I would hope that Ryzen is faster than Ivy Bridge-E (5 years old now).

What a stupid video.
Edited by NYU87 - 4/9/17 at 12:38pm
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Essentially this illustrates the need for Apple to speed up their product cycle or they will not be able to stay competitive.

Yeah, I agree. At least four years between workstation releases isn't a great idea, nor is restricting the capabilities of the new one. The trash can design was not smart at all, since it forced anybody who wanted, say, CUDA to stick with the old system with actual PCIe slots or use Thunderbolt adapters. That shouldn't happen since, well, it's a workstation. It doesn't need to be small nor portable.

But in 2013, given the specs that it offered? It wasn't too bad. A terabyte of PCIe-based flash, dual Tahiti FirePros, and LGA-2011 ain't exactly cheap.

EDIT: I just went to configure a system on Apple's site. As expected, upgrades are pretty much extortion, but I got this.

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3.0GHz 8-core with 25MB of L3 cache
32GB (4x8GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
1TB PCIe-based flash storage
Dual AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM each

$5000 for that. The FirePro D700 is a fully-enabled Tahiti core. At MSRP, a FirePro W9000 cost $4000, equivalent to a 7970. Of course, the Mac Pro came a year later, and Nvidia had Quadros out, so the W9000 had dropped to about $3000 by then. Each. It's possible that the W9000 had ECC while the D700 didn't, but I honestly don't know.

1TB PCIe SSD. Earlier in the year, Crucial had released a 960GB M500 for $650. PCIe-based SSDs of that size were worth over $1000 at the time.

4x8GB DDR3. Eh, I'm not actually sure. $300 or so? Whatever, it's RAM. It's cheap compared to the processors.

Finally, the Xeon. It's an E5-1680 v2, most likely, with an MSRP of $1750. That isn't cheap.

If you wanted to build a system with all the capabilities of a Mac Pro and all its little features, it would have set you back. I remember lots of videos about how a $3000 workstation could DESTROY a $10k Mac Pro back in late 2013/early 2014, but they usually cheaped out and ran dual 290s, an i7 rather than a Xeon, and RAID 0 SATA SSDs. Which, sure, the performance numbers match. But you don't get workstation GPU drivers, you don't get ECC support, and you're a lot more likely to lose data.
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I think they realized soon after release of the current gen Mac Pro that the form factor they chose, while stylish, wasn't what professionals really wanted and started over. Apple spends years designing new products, hence the complete lack of updates until the recently revealed 2018 launch date.
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But in 2013, given the specs that it offered? It wasn't too bad. A terabyte of PCIe-based flash, dual Tahiti FirePros, and LGA-2011 ain't exactly cheap.

Yes, if I remember correctly, an equivalent custom built PC was more expensive than a top spec configuration Mac Pro at launch.
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