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True about that, I only have spoken to casual users and students.

They're also known for being sticks in the mud after a purchase though, where so long as it's "good enough" they won't upgrade until problems start happening - probably because there's a tendency to spend $8-10k on a fully featured Mac Pro. I've talked to a few local guys who were Mac Pro exclusive (or Apple hardware exclusive if you include previous gear) for upwards of 25 years, but they had no choice but to buy a Windows based PC simply because the current small version couldn't run either their add-in cards or worse, their amount of hard drives.
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They're also known for being sticks in the mud after a purchase though, where so long as it's "good enough" they won't upgrade until problems start happening - probably because there's a tendency to spend $8-10k on a fully featured Mac Pro. I've talked to a few local guys who were Mac Pro exclusive (or Apple hardware exclusive if you include previous gear) for upwards of 25 years, but they had no choice but to buy a Windows based PC simply because the current small version couldn't run either their add-in cards or worse, their amount of hard drives.

Some do buy the latest and greatest each year. I even met someone who said they buy them because it looks good in the house.

I do agree it is nice for decor though biggrin.gif
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Essentially this illustrates the need for Apple to speed up their product cycle or they will not be able to stay competitive.

Essentially this illustrates that Apple needs to cut 3/4 of the prices.

HP Z2 G3 (single mobile GPU, but smaller):


Maxed out Corsair One, $2599 (single GPU, quad vs hex core, no ECC, similarly tiny and more modern, though): http://www.corsair.com/en-us/corsair-one-pro-compact-gaming-pc-gtx-1080-ti-na

Z440 (lesser GPU, but greater CPU):


Z640 (equivalent GPU but with more VRAM (D700 upgrade for Mac Pro is $200), lesser CPU IPC but more modern):


I'm no fan of the trashcan, but, just sayin'
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Essentially this illustrates the need for Apple to speed up their product cycle or they will not be able to stay competitive.

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Essentially this illustrates that Apple needs to cut 3/4 of the prices.

Why would Apple cut their prices to the same cost as someone who goes and buys components to put their machine together yourself? It's like people think Apple should be a charity service. They're out to make a profit, not put together a computer for you for free.
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I personally would never buy a Mac Pro simply because anytime I am considering a new PC I know I can build it myself with the exact hardware i want for significantly cheaper than any prebuilt and I suspect almost 100% of the people on this forum would agree. That said, I certainly can see the appeal of prebuilts and even the Mac Pro to the majority of people. First, most people would have no idea how to begin to build their own system. They wouldn't even have any idea what parts to buy, much less how to put it all together. Second, most people don't want to deal with the hassle we have all experienced in finally getting a build finished and then having to work out why it won't POST (which will inevitably happen on a new build). Most people would just freak out and have no idea how to even proceed. Third, prebuilts are single PC's that are covered by warranty. If it doesn't work you just replace the whole thing. If a computer you built yourself doesn't work you have to first figure out what part is failing and why, then deal with manufacturer of that part (and 9 times out of 10 its not even faulty, its just some dumb thing you overlooked in the bios etc).

As for the Mac Pro, let's face it, there is a solid niche of the market that just likes OSX, likes Apple's proprietary software, likes Apple's design principles, or just want to brag that they own a Mac. In any of these cases its irrelevant how much better and cheaper you could build them a PC, they still would not be happy unless it was an Apple.
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Also what if you want or have to buy a new Mac Pro NOW? The situation you are constantly ignoring.

I'm not ignoring it. I said several times. If you want to buy a mac pro now, it is a bad purchase.
If you said I ignore it, you are either illiterate or selective reader who absolutely did not read a word I said.
You repeating the same thing doesn't make it true. The fact that you won't buy a 4970K now because there are replacements, doesn't mean someone won't buy it.
You won't buy a lamborghini in your life, it doesn't make other people not buy it as well.

Also not seeing advantage in ECC memory seems like you don't understand again what ECC memory is meant to do.
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Proof please... Have a hard time taking whatever you say seriously. It is always extremely biased in one direction.

I already posted proof. I don't need to repeat myself.
You not believing in it is your personal problem now.
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Maybe OSX fanboys will finally think twice before spouting nonsense about OSX being 10 times more efficient at memory usage, etc.

What does the OS X has to do with the pricing of the mac pro?
OSX is a relatively light linux based OS. All of my OS X hardware has been silky smooth since day one. I could not say the same on any windows based system I have every had.
If I could get OS X on any computer I want and not just apple branded hardware, I would ditch windows completely.
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Why would Apple cut their prices to the same cost as someone who goes and buys components to put their machine together yourself? It's like people think Apple should be a charity service. They're out to make a profit, not put together a computer for you for free.

Of course they don't, but if they want to stay competitive instead of out right over priced, they should.
Not saying if they want to take a certain premium its wrong. But keeping the mac pro price so much higher with 4 years old hardware, is stretching it. The sales of the mac pro has gone down the drain in the last year.
They are also soon out of warranty as well (which I guess just the time apple will bring its replacement).
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A wall of text of insults. Nice Argument lachen.gif
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Of course they don't, but if they want to stay competitive instead of out right over priced, they should.
Not saying if they want to take a certain premium its wrong. But keeping the mac pro price so much higher with 4 years old hardware, is stretching it. The sales of the mac pro has gone down the drain in the last year.
They are also soon out of warranty as well (which I guess just the time apple will bring its replacement).

I agree that the Mac Pro a bad deal in 2017 and should be lower if it were to be competitive, but some people suggesting they should slash 3/4 of the price because you can build a PC for 3/4 of the price just seems silly to me. Apple is never going to try to compete for the attention of people who buy their own components at the best price possible and assemble a machine themselves. If anything they should be compared with other pre-builts (which they'd still be in a bad position in in this case, although not by as much as comparing to building yourself).
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No, silly! It means Apple is bad. It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

Also, comparing a custom system to an OEM system is practically always disingenuous. Apple needs to make money, and marking up customization options and the hardware itself is the obvious way. A Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any workstation is going to, shockingly, make money the same way!

The main difference is that the Internet has an irrational hate for Apple and that you can't get OS X on a custom system (legally, that is), so you're forced to buy from a company the Internet dislikes. Hence videos like this.

If the mac was 30% more expensive and offered 20% less performance, I could buy this argument. But when it costs 3x as much and offers 50% less performance, it just doesn't fly. I think serious people are going to start using hackintoshes at this point if they need to run mac software. Even in VMWare.
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