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True about that, I only have spoken to casual users and students.

Neither are the target market for this machine.
    
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This kinda makes sense considering its from 2013, Id hope Ryzen could compete with Ivy Bridge. Also you probably shouldn't be buying an 8c/16t CPU for Photoshop considering it likes frequency (doesn't really scale beyond 8t and only 8t in certain actions) and the 7700k is a rock star in photoshop. Ryzens putting up a good show but this isn't exactly something that should matter "OH LOOK! RYZEN BEATS arch that's 1/2 a decade old!"
(not hating on AMD, just this is clearly bias)
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This kinda makes sense considering its from 2013, Id hope Ryzen could compete with Ivy Bridge. Also you probably shouldn't be buying an 8c/16t CPU for Photoshop considering it likes frequency (doesn't really scale beyond 8t and only 8t in certain actions) and the 7700k is a rock star in photoshop. Ryzens putting up a good show but this isn't exactly something that should matter "OH LOOK! RYZEN BEATS arch that's 1/2 a decade old!"
(not hating on AMD, just this is clearly bias)

It is pointless demonstration. And i posted benches of the 7700k beating Ryzen in PS and other "productivity" programs sometimes by a large degree on the first page. And likewise Ryzen beating the hell out of a 7700k. As always in this never ending circle jerk, both are viable, it just depends on what you do for "productivity". For my productivity, 7700k is the clear better choice currently and no argument to the contrary about future performance or eventual support for Ryzen means jack, Today, or really in 3 years as it will be then time again to think about upgrading anyway. And it may very well be time for Ryzen for me then, or not. Either way is fine.
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No, silly! It means Apple is bad. It's Apple's fault that their four-year-old system can't keep up with a modern-day one.

Also, comparing a custom system to an OEM system is practically always disingenuous. Apple needs to make money, and marking up customization options and the hardware itself is the obvious way. A Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any workstation is going to, shockingly, make money the same way!

The main difference is that the Internet has an irrational hate for Apple and that you can't get OS X on a custom system (legally, that is), so you're forced to buy from a company the Internet dislikes. Hence videos like this.

If the mac was 30% more expensive and offered 20% less performance, I could buy this argument. But when it costs 3x as much and offers 50% less performance, it just doesn't fly. I think serious people are going to start using hackintoshes at this point if they need to run mac software. Even in VMWare.
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OSX is a relatively light linux based OS. All of my OS X hardware has been silky smooth since day one. I could not say the same on any windows based system I have every had.
If I could get OS X on any computer I want and not just apple branded hardware, I would ditch windows completely.
It is actually a Unix based OS and your sig rig is 100% compatible OOB with a popular bootloader that we won't speak of here.
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It is actually a Unix based OS and your sig rig is 100% compatible OOB with a popular bootloader that we won't speak of here.

Its kinda like a Grandchild of Unix and is a "Unix Like" system borrowing heavily from FreeBSD/other OSS projects and running a customized part mach/bsd/next "hybrid kernel" (XNU actually = X is Not Unix). It has Unix like behavior and is Unix compatible but isn't based on Unix, its like a 2 or 3rd gen descendant
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Its kinda like a Grandchild of Unix and is a "Unix Like" system borrowing heavily from FreeBSD/other OSS projects and running a customized part mach/bsd/next "hybrid kernel" (XNU actually = X is Not Unix). It has Unix like behavior and is Unix compatible but isn't based on Unix, its like a 2 or 3rd gen descendant

I feel like you gave a hint, but it's over my head...redface.gifconfused.gif
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I feel like you gave a hint, but it's over my head...redface.gifconfused.gif

Think of OSX as like a grandchild to Unix, Unix gave birth to BSD/FreeBSD/Next in a sense and in turn those gave birth to OSX.
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OSX (or macOS as it's now called) is both a descendent of Unix and a current version of Unix.
    
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OSX (or macOS as it's now called) is both a descendent of Unix and a current version of Unix.

MacOS is Unix compliant it does not contain Unix code. It's based on derivative code bases which no longer contain any actual Unix code but are compliant with Unix standards.

It is Unix like in behavior and compliance but It's not Unix
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That depends on what you mean by "Unix". There is Unix the OS from four decades ago, and there is Unix the standard (more precisely, the Single UNIX Specification). macOS is obviously not the former, but it is certified as the latter. This is different to BSD and Linux, which are Unix-like but not certified to use the UNIX trademark.
    
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