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I see no reason to get it over the cheaper Samsung.

The Samsung has a 4k panel, a quantum dot filter over the backlight (for a wider color gamut), and HDR 10-bit input, while the Sony uses an older 1080p panel.

You mean UE43KU6000?

Yeah, or the 6072 one below it. The other ones are older 1080p SDR TVs.



Not sure about the LG/Phillips models below (mostly not in US, so it's hard to get English info tongue.gif), but if you look up their specs and they have 4k panels and HDR input, they're probably good too.
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Yeah, or the 6072 one below it. The other ones are older 1080p SDR TVs.



Not sure about the LG/Phillips models below (mostly not in US, so it's hard to get English info tongue.gif), but if you look up their specs and they have 4k panels and HDR input, they're probably good too.

Here is a good site with specs for 2014+ TVs:

http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/a0d951f

As for this blurring and ghosting, my parets have Sharp Aquos lc-46dh65e, like 8 year old now, and I don't see any negative effects like that, I mean not to the level where I will consider it something more than inherent flaw of display technology, can modern panel like Samsung UE49K6300 be worse than this?
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Yeah, or the 6072 one below it. The other ones are older 1080p SDR TVs.



Not sure about the LG/Phillips models below (mostly not in US, so it's hard to get English info tongue.gif), but if you look up their specs and they have 4k panels and HDR input, they're probably good too.

Here is a good site with specs for 2014+ TVs:

http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/a0d951f

As for this blurring and ghosting, my parets have Sharp Aquos lc-46dh65e, like 8 year old now, and I don't see any negative effects like that, can modern panel like Samsung UE49K6300 be worse than this?



Huh. By amazing coincidence, I'm watching TV on an old 46" Sharp Aquos as I type this, and I just ran some blurbuster tests on it last week. It's also why I'm lazy right now, as I'm on a phone and it's hard to type in the names of those LGs to look them up tongue.gif


Anyway, while the above post about PWM is true, that Samsung TV will also have a newer LCD panel with a faster response time and a motion interpolation ASIC (which the Aquos does not have). No promises (as I don't have that specific TV to compare side-by-side), but I'm 90% sure motion will look clearer on the Samsung, even if it has a low-frequency PWM backlight.
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Huh. By amazing coincidence, I'm watching TV on an old 46" Sharp Aquos as I type this, and I just ran some blurbuster tests on it last week. It's also why I'm lazy right now, as I'm on a phone and it's hard to type in the names of those LGs to look them up tongue.gif


Anyway, while the above post about PWM is true, that Samsung TV will also have a newer LCD panel with a faster response time and a motion interpolation ASIC (which the Aquos does not have). No promises (as I don't have that specific TV to compare side-by-side), but I'm 90% sure motion will look clearer on the Samsung, even if it has a low-frequency PWM backlight.

Heh, interesting biggrin.gif

The only difference in specs between 43KU6000 and KU6072 is in DTV Tuner - one has DVB-TC(T2 Ready) and second one has DVB-T2CS2. Also according to specs on Samsung website, none of them have 10 bit panel.

So basically I am deciding between Samsung UE49K6300 and 43KU6000. Hard to say what to do, here is spec comparison: http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/b1341857c

Major difference is resolution and size, I am still not sure how important 4K may be from 2 meters viewing distance on 43" size, probably not at all. I am buying something at the end of April. I can always return anything within 14 days without any costs, but still it would be nice to buy something good at first try for once biggrin.gif
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Huh. By amazing coincidence, I'm watching TV on an old 46" Sharp Aquos as I type this, and I just ran some blurbuster tests on it last week. It's also why I'm lazy right now, as I'm on a phone and it's hard to type in the names of those LGs to look them up tongue.gif


Anyway, while the above post about PWM is true, that Samsung TV will also have a newer LCD panel with a faster response time and a motion interpolation ASIC (which the Aquos does not have). No promises (as I don't have that specific TV to compare side-by-side), but I'm 90% sure motion will look clearer on the Samsung, even if it has a low-frequency PWM backlight.

Heh, interesting biggrin.gif

The only difference in specs between 43KU6000 and KU6072 is in DTV Tuner - one has DVB-TC(T2 Ready) and second one has DVB-T2CS2. Also according to specs on Samsung website, none of them have 10 bit panel.

So basically I am deciding between Samsung UE49K6300 and 43KU6000. Hard to say what to do, here is spec comparison: http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/b1341857c

Major difference is resolution and size, I am still not sure how important 4K may be from 2 meters viewing distance on 43" size, probably not at all. I am buying something at the end of April. I can always return anything within 14 days without any costs, but still it would be nice to buy something good at first try for once biggrin.gif

Ah, but it might not be that simple.

The smaller one has HDR-Pro, which means 10-bit input. That means the panel is 8 bit + FRC, which is still better than normal 8 bit on TVs.

Also, this page mentions something about "micro dimming": http://www.samsung.com/hu/tvs/uhd-ku6000/UE43KU6000WXXH/ Which might mean it has a backlight with local dimming... That's doesn't seem possible, since it's edge lit, but it might still be more than the static backlight that older, bigger Samsung has.



Sat and cable broadcasts won't be HDR for awhile. Not sure about OTA. But if you stream/download some stuff, I'd say the smaller TV is definitely the better buy.
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Ah, but it might not be that simple.

The smaller one has HDR-Pro, which means 10-bit input. That means the panel is 8 bit + FRC, which is still better than normal 8 bit on TVs.

Also, this page mentions something about "micro dimming": http://www.samsung.com/hu/tvs/uhd-ku6000/UE43KU6000WXXH/ Which might mean it has a backlight with local dimming... That's doesn't seem possible, since it's edge lit, but it might still be more than the static backlight that older, bigger Samsung has.

Sat and cable broadcasts won't be HDR for awhile. Not sure about OTA. But if you stream/download some stuff, I'd say the smaller TV is definitely the better buy.

49 inch one also has micro dimming, whatever that is, according to Samsung website. Micro Dimming Pro or whatever.

I am not really interested in HDR unless it is proper full HDR, and this I am obviously not getting in this price point. I will get proper HDR for my desktop once it is available or possibly I will just ditch both desktop monitor and TV and get some huge OLED for everything, but this is not a close future by any means.

10 bit is useless for now, I have 8 bit+FRC on my desktop display and I haven't seen a single situation where it mattered.

I have found some test on Polish site that is testing TVs and they have this 49 inch and 43KU6500, so that's even higher model than 43KU6000 we are considering here, much more expensive (3000 vs 2000). 49K6300 has contrast of 4100:1 and average motion clarity while 43KU6500 has 1950:1 contrast and very poor motion clarity. 49 inch model is described as good basic model with no big flaws, thats exactly what I am looking for. I will get it and test it and I will look from there, I can always return it. This is how it will end probably and I will end up with some IPS one, but for now I will go with a second try on VA, first one was with Samsung S34N790C and it got completely knocked out by Dell U3415W and especially LG 34UC98, but TVs may be different. I got the best out of IPS for now with my desktop display, I want to try something else if I have an opportunity.

Thanks for all your replies
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Ah, but it might not be that simple.

The smaller one has HDR-Pro, which means 10-bit input. That means the panel is 8 bit + FRC, which is still better than normal 8 bit on TVs.

Also, this page mentions something about "micro dimming": http://www.samsung.com/hu/tvs/uhd-ku6000/UE43KU6000WXXH/ Which might mean it has a backlight with local dimming... That's doesn't seem possible, since it's edge lit, but it might still be more than the static backlight that older, bigger Samsung has.

Sat and cable broadcasts won't be HDR for awhile. Not sure about OTA. But if you stream/download some stuff, I'd say the smaller TV is definitely the better buy.

49 inch one also has micro dimming, whatever that is, according to Samsung website. Micro Dimming Pro or whatever.

I am not really interested in HDR unless it is proper full HDR, and this I am obviously not getting in this price point. I will get proper HDR for my desktop once it is available or possibly I will just ditch both desktop monitor and TV and get some huge OLED for everything, but this is not a close future by any means.

10 bit is useless for now, I have 8 bit+FRC on my desktop display and I haven't seen a single situation where it mattered.

I have found some test on Polish site that is testing TVs and they have this 49 inch and 43KU6500, so that's even higher model than 43KU6000 we are considering here, much more expensive (3000 vs 2000). 49K6300 has contrast of 4100:1 and average motion clarity while 43KU6500 has 1950:1 contrast and very poor motion clarity. 49 inch model is described as good basic model with no big flaws, thats exactly what I am looking for. I will get it and test it and I will look from there, I can always return it. This is how it will end probably and I will end up with some IPS one, but for now I will go with a second try on VA, first one was with Samsung S34N790C and it got completely knocked out by Dell U3415W and especially LG 34UC98, but TVs may be different. I got the best out of IPS for now with my desktop display, I want to try something else if I have an opportunity.

Thanks for all your replies

VA has come a long way. And yeah, if the objective tests say that, I'm happy to be wrong biggrin.gif

HDR/10 bit is coming fast (Andromeda already supports it quite well, with options for different output levels), but like you said that's mostly in the future. Proper HDR is very pricey now.
Edited by brucethemoose - 4/11/17 at 6:05pm
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Looking at whole market, not just VA, those Samsungs doesn't look particularly attractive. I am more and more convinced that there is no point in experimenting with VA again, I love IPS, why would I experiment with VA that I know I never liked.

Found few interesting LGs, particularly those two:

http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/df3368e1

Are differences between them significant enough to justify the price difference (1760 vs 2270)?
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