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Just a thought, was the H100i originally using the paste it came with out of the corsair box? When I had an H100i, I found that the paste that it comes with was pretty good. Might be better than the MX4, or atleast a better application, because its silk screened Shin Etsu.
That might be what it takes to get a 5*C difference.

They do come with good paste on them but its no better than MX-4. Ive re-seated with MX-4 countless times with great results. I have to agree with the others, Sabertooths are excellent boards for nice stable overclocks and longevity. I would have never stepped down to a Deluxe Z97. The problem is not ASUS.
   
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post #12 of 25
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Sure youre voltage settings are the same? Llc, c-states etc

Also, why not whent with anothet sabertooth z97?
yes, I know exactly my bios settings. Reapplying mx4 paste stabelized the temps (was bouncing all over), haven't reattempted 5.0 yet. I chose to z97 because there seems to be added faster features to sata etc etc. I'll have to recheck my vrm temps says 51 in bios. My voltage is set to auto states eist off so it chooses 1.392 at 4.9, same as sabertooth. Input it chooses 1.77. It's running snappier than the tooth. There are no other saber tooths z97 available at a decent price. Got the deluxe for 195.
post #13 of 25
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I guess I can live with 5 degrees higher. Maybe the power delivery isn't as good on the 8 power phase tooth so the CPU heat was less due to lack of power. The graphics card runs slightly cooler at 59 degrees top over locked Asus strix 1080
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. There are no other saber tooths z97 available at a decent price. Got the deluxe for 195.

Yeah they go fast after a socket is changed. Im a big fan of the Sabertooth series. The Sabertooth version of whatever socket im switching too is usually what I personally run. Ive had the 990FX Rev 2 Saber, Z77 Saber, Z97 mk 2 Saber and currently X99 Saber. Thats not to say there arent many other good boards out there, I simply find them a great mix of performance and longevity. Only one that cost me more than 195 was the X99 version.
   
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post #15 of 25
put youre vcore on manual to start with and put youre C-states on

that will lower your'e temps idle and load.

manual voltages are always better, auto uses more than needed, and clocks and voltages will down clock when idle, lower voltages means lower temps and idle temps will be allot better with c-states on..
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put youre vcore on manual to start with and put youre C-states on

that will lower your'e temps idle and load.

manual voltages are always better, auto uses more than needed, and clocks and voltages will down clock when idle, lower voltages means lower temps and idle temps will be allot better with c-states on..
Well, Bios settings were the same "Auto" on the z87 board and temps were, all things been equal, 5-7 degrees cooler. I've always read C-states should be turned off for gaming (overshoot etc). I could try 1.37 volts as you're right auto is probably setting it at 1.392 too high, but it seems that if I set to manual, at least on the z87, that it adds .02 volts anyway regardless.

I see 0 rpms on my H100i fans in Corsair Link though.
Edited by D-Dow - 4/10/17 at 11:31pm
post #17 of 25
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OMG dudes, I just figured it out. So stupid. The old BIOS didn't have PWM or DC fan options. It was on DC and these are PWMs all over the case, so I changed to PWM and wallah, it's 28 degrees idle lowest core and 34 highest core at 1% load. I will test for 100% load right now. Sorry, it was a BIOS fan thing. So the Deluxe is just as formidable (maybe even more!) than my old Sabertooth. These little settings make a world of difference. Of course my fans are louder now that they are running at higher speeds (virtually stopped and started before I switched from DC to PWM in the Bios), but they are primo fans (not Noctuas but 2nd best in Fractal Venturis). Pretty happy now, thanks.

Edit: Ok, after 100% load it's back to 66-67 degrees highest core (CPU package). So everything's fine now. I wonder if I could hit 5.0 now without BSOD and no freezes (that I'd get on the z87 before at 5.0). I'm happy at 4.9 but I remember when I'd get 5.0 no problem for 2 years.
Edited by D-Dow - 4/11/17 at 12:10am
post #18 of 25
Glad you sorted out. By the way, you where running 5ghz @ nearly 1.4 volts for 2 years?
post #19 of 25
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Glad you sorted out. By the way, you where running 5ghz @ nearly 1.4 volts for 2 years?
Yes. @ 1.37, then now I guess still 1.37, but probably 1.39 if I can go back to it (started getting screen freezes on the z87 mobo but before that 2 years of no screen freezes on a gtx780 - since upgrading to a 1080 screen freezes started after 7-8 weeks at 5.0 sometimes it took an hour or so sometimes minutes).
post #20 of 25
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Well, dudes, tell me this, would you consider my 4790K runnin at 4.9 Ghz at 1.28 Volts 100% load to be mighty fine? Temps are at high 50s low 60s. Idle however is just as high at 1.28 @ 4.9 as it is at 1.37 or 1.39 @ 4.9. That leads me to think that Idle means nothing. Idle is always mid-30s, low 30s or mid-to-high 30s (for the highest core).

So would you not think that if I can pull of 1.28 at 100% load (Cinebench) several times without blue screen then I should be able to hit 5.0 with just a couple more volts? I have not tried 5.0 yet on the new z97 Deluxe board. I could never do all these low voltages on the z87 Sabertooth. It seemed to have to always be 1.37 or above.

The Uncore (at 46 ratio) voltage I got knocked down to 1.19 volts down from 1.27. I haven't tried to knock it down further.

If I go to 1.27 volts at 4.9 I get a blue screen at 100% load, so 1.28 thereabouts is the threshold.

For the week that I've owned this Deluxe board, I've always had it 1.392 (or what 'Auto' gives me, never setting a 'Manual' voltage). I just assumed that it'd be the same as the z87 tooth, but apparently not. This 16 phase stuff must be allowing me to drop the voltage at 4.9 significantly. I just kept dropping it by 2 until I got a blue screen in Cinebench.
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