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Thanks - not sure who Roger is.

I think you've assuaged my concern about the build quality - now how about the realtek sound? I've always done the best Creative cards I the past for gaming systems.

Realtek sound comes standard on most motherboards, regardless of the motherboard OEM. Even those that come with "Creative" software, which I don't recommend by the way, use a Realtek chip under the hood. On-board sound on a high end to midrange motherboard is usually superior to most popular sound cards, incidentally.

Also, another vote for ASRock, my ASRock x99 Taichi motherboard is trouble-free, a good price for what it is, and impressive.
 
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When I looked at motherboard reviews, ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier didn't really have impressive performance, mainly due to PLX PEX 8747. See http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z270-supercarrier-4-way-sli-atx-motherboard,4942-3.html If you are considering board with PEX 8747, you should also consider whether X99 wouldn't be a better choice. ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier seemed mediocre in overclocking.

Gigabyte Z270X-Gaming 9 also has PEX 8747, but in review it had slightly better performance, although more expensive. Not so good M.2 placement, so U.2 -> M.2 adapter would most likely be used. Better at OC than ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier.

For me Gigabyte Z270X-Gaming 9 was a clear winner over ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier due to performance and OC.

The problem with both is you get something you probably don't really need. It pays off more to buy ASRock Taichi Z270 instead. If you want more multi purpose system then ASRock x99 Taichi.
Edited by wildhorse - 4/10/17 at 10:05am
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When I looked at motherboard reviews, ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier didn't really have impressive performance, mainly due to PLX PEX 8747. See http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z270-supercarrier-4-way-sli-atx-motherboard,4942-3.html If you are considering board with PEX 8747, you should also consider whether X99 wouldn't be a better choice. ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier seemed mediocre in overclocking.

Gigabyte Z270X-Gaming 9 also has PEX 8747, but in review it had slightly better performance, although more expensive. Not so good M.2 placement, so U.2 -> M.2 adapter would most likely be used. Better at OC than ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier.

For me Gigabyte Z270X-Gaming 9 was a clear winner over ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier due to performance and OC.

The problem with both is you get something you probably don't really need. It pays off more to buy ASRock Taichi Z270 instead. If you want more multi purpose system then ASRock x99 Taichi.

Thanks - I need the slots for the big honkin cooled 1080 ti. One slot for a quad port 10gb/s nic, one for an LSI 16 drive controller. with a cooling fan for the RAID etc I really need an extended ATX. I had the BT fail on my current z170 gigabyte card which has good creative sound but I'm just so tired of the gigabyte quality issues (this is far from the first or the last gb motherboard I'm dealing with. I have to assist a friend with his gb motherboard that lately can't get halfway through the bios post.

I don't OC my motherboards so that isn't a big concern for me. 1240 vs 1230 on a benchmark doesn't interest me as much as reliability and decent audio.
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The low end Asrock boards are not well built, with thin PCBs and sometimes hidden components.

The high end Asrock boards are built as well as everyone else's flagships. Supercarrier as a flagship board would belong in the same category as their flagship Extreme11 series of HEDT boards.

I usually find Asrock is really good with their support of M.2 SSDs (Supercarrier can support 3), perhaps the best of the main motherboard makers, although MSI has gotten better as of late on Intel. The triple M.2 is cool, but you'll hit the DMI 3.0 limits quickly with 2 good M.2 SSDs on read, although 3 will be needed to max it out on Write. The M.2 SSDs in RAID 0 don't improve Random performance however.



Asrock Z270 Supercarrier does have a PLX chip allowing for x16/x16 with 2 GPUs, but it's not a huge advantage. Keep in mind the CPU still has just 16 lanes, plus DMI 3.0 so PCIe to CPU communications will be limited. The problem is that we don't know what it is like with the latest BIOS. In terms of raw build quality though, you can't go wrong. BIOS has been pretty good on Asrock - the UI is quite usable. I personally love the Asrock OC Formula series, but unfortunately, there is no Z270 OC Formula. Nick Shih from Asrock did confirm with us that there will be an Asrock X299 OC Formula though.

MSI's Z270 XPower seems to be pretty solid (so far it has been a good overclocker), and the Gigabyte Z270 Gaming 9 is not far behind, if not a peer (it also has a PLX chip, and is probably the most feature loaded Z270 board out there). I don't have as much experience with Gigabyte's BIOS on Z270, but they had a big redesign around the time they introduced the Z170 Designaire. They have a perhaps the best X370 BIOS on AMD, along with the Asrock X370 boards. None of the X370 BIOSes right now are mature though.



Sin0822 just published a review:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8128/asrock-z270-supercarrier-motherboard-review/index.html


Take a good look at the BIOS screenshots. If you do buy the board, I"d recommend upgrading the Wireless card if you use it to an Intel 8265 Wireless or the newer Intel 9000 series.


VRM is ok, although not exceptional for this price. Texas Instruments CSD87350Q5D NexFET (8 + 4 + 1 + 1 configuration).


If you aren't overclocking, it's not a big flaw though.

The MSI Z270 XPower is about $50 cheaper and has better VRMs than the Z270 Supercarrier, although it doesn't have a PLX.





I think though that one thing to consider if you can wait is to wait until this summer or fall. Intel is reportedly pushing X299 to June. The advantage is that you would have 40 (or more) "True" PCIe 3.0 lanes rather than having to rely on the PLX PEX 8747. If you need it right away, X99 might be worth a look at for similar reasons.


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Thanks - I need the slots for the big honkin cooled 1080 ti. One slot for a quad port 10gb/s nic, one for an LSI 16 drive controller. with a cooling fan for the RAID etc I really need an extended ATX. I had the BT fail on my current z170 gigabyte card which has good creative sound but I'm just so tired of the gigabyte quality issues (this is far from the first or the last gb motherboard I'm dealing with. I have to assist a friend with his gb motherboard that lately can't get halfway through the bios post.

I don't OC my motherboards so that isn't a big concern for me. 1240 vs 1230 on a benchmark doesn't interest me as much as reliability and decent audio.


That would be the Wireless card that failed, which is a reason why I advise updating the Wireless on Asrock.

Surprisingly for a high end board, Asrock's Z270 Supercarrier only has a Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160.



Intel 8265 is their current top tier. Intel: 9260 and 9560 are coming soon.
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Thanks - I need the slots for the big honkin cooled 1080 ti. One slot for a quad port 10gb/s nic, one for an LSI 16 drive controller. with a cooling fan for the RAID etc I really need an extended ATX. I had the BT fail on my current z170 gigabyte card which has good creative sound but I'm just so tired of the gigabyte quality issues (this is far from the first or the last gb motherboard I'm dealing with. I have to assist a friend with his gb motherboard that lately can't get halfway through the bios post.

I don't OC my motherboards so that isn't a big concern for me. 1240 vs 1230 on a benchmark doesn't interest me as much as reliability and decent audio.

You should be looking at X99.
 
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You should be looking at X99.

Thanks - for these really detailed and helpful reviews. I think I might be able to wait until late July before I build my next system - I need more storage space and it has to be on a raid as I have over 100TB so I really have to build a new system as I don't want pieces of storage.

Any downside to getting x299 boards? I think the processors will be less energy efficient but will they build similar extended boards with good sound onboard? (I won't have any space for a sound card) and I use it at times for gaming.
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I've had some mixed experiences with ASRock, but I would recommend them.

Support has been pretty solid for most of my ASRock boards.
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If you aren't overclocking, it's not a big flaw though.

I'd be surprised if it was relevant outside of subambient OCs.

For mainstream Intel platforms, I stopped looking at VRMs unless there was something that obviously seemed wrong...anything with even the vaguest pretension to being an overclocking board has completely overkill power delivery for LGA-1151 CPUs.
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If you decide to wait for X299, you may have to wait a couple of months more until initial problems are solved as it will be a new platform. For X99 if you need 40 PCIE 3.0 lanes, the choice is 6850k. It's expensive but it can handle a lot. I read rumors that for X299, a 44 PCIE lane CPU will be more expensive, probably an 8 core. You will see when it arrives.

As for X99 OC Formula my main problem with that board is that it has only 1 usable Ultra M.2, the other old M.2 is too slow. So it will cost you a PCIE slot if you want more. But since you want LSI 16 and RAID, this may not be an issue for you. Everyone has different requirements and different boards work for them best.

X99 looks better to me than Z270 for your usage as it can easily support it without bandwidth sharing and allow future expansion.

DMI 3.0 on Z270 only affects communication between CPU and chipset. That means USB, SATA, M.2, built-in NICs. But throughput of DMI 3.0 is only about 4GB/s. Actually just 1 Ultra M.2 can fully consume that bandwidth.

X99 has just DMI 2.0 with 2GB/s, but Ultra M.2 don't go through chipset, but directly to CPU. So the slower DMI should be less used than on Z270.
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With 100TB of data to be stored, you really should be looking at dedicated storage. Like a file server. Ideally, something with ZFS. FreeNAS for example. That is a TON of data and generally, it's not a good idea to keep all of that on your main rig. Especially if doing overclocking. With 10Gb getting cheaper, it's getting easier to have a fast connection to the box. Done right it will feel like it's part of the main machine. At a minimum you should build a backup server that's maybe not as fast but you sync to it on a regular basis. That way if something happens to the main rig or the array in it, you are not out all that data.
 
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SO long as you avoid them on the AMD side they should be very solid, I been using ASRock for years and on the intel side they're very solid but on the AMD side of things they're completely junk with stability issues and just little things that irritate you. The super carrier looks very nice and from the pictures i saw it has a solid power delivery system so you should be good for even pretty high overclocks.
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