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And if anyone is interested in battery study instead of making concerns about stuff don't exist... Here is battery study of almost 10 year Tesla roadsters.

http://www.plugincars.com/tesla-roadster-battery-life-study-85-percent-after-100000-miles-127733.html
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Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

2012 model s is now 5 years old. Tesla roadsters are even older close to 9 years old . So try again. Lol
Good point about the Roadster, as for the Model S, thanks for proving my point? Nice try. Reading's not a strong suit of yours I take it.

http://www.plugincars.com/tesla-roadster-battery-life-study-85-percent-after-100000-miles-127733.html

I mean do you even read the things you google?
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Of course, as Battery University explains, it’s not as simple as that. After 300 to 500 cycles at 100 percent depth of discharge, a lithium-ion cell’s capacity will drop to 70 percent. But partial discharge “reduces stress and prolongs battery life.” Drain the batteries consistently to only 50 percent, as is often the case with electric cars that get plugged in frequently, and life expectancy of a healthy battery zooms up to 1,200 to 1,500 cycles. That, of course, translates to 366,000 miles, but don’t expect numbers like that on your odometer. Other wild cards such as frequency of fast recharge can also affect battery life.

"Stuff that doesn't exist."

That's a nice line. Maybe we need a refresher in basic science

For everyone interested in the actual "science" or the analytics of Tesla. Here are facts regarding Tesla roadsters.

Around 1800 were sold in United States. The cars cost over 100,000. I haven't seen any rigorous studies that followed a large number of these cars to see how the batteries held up. For one, I salute the relatively phenomenal battery longevity at 5 years. It's quite remarkable, but the concern is warranted. Especially since we know how badly batteries have performed in the past. Nissan's internal documents show they expected Nissan Leaf to have 70% capacity after 10 years. Ever use a smartphone anyone? I consider anything below 70% to be a pretty significant detriment to the user experience. My HTC M8 is actually pretty ****ty after 3-4 years at this point.

Let's not forget that buying used electric vehicles is tricky. I mean the counter-argument here is that buying used cars is tricky period, which is a good point. But battery replacements are expensive for all electric cars, and it's not something that you can ignore. Of course, any major repair on any vehicle is expensive, especially at the dealer.

The bottom line is, all vehicles have problems and unlike some of the Tesla fanboys here, their cars aren't perfect either. Electric vehicles exchange one set of problems for another. And saying, he-he ha-ha there are no issues with Teslas, would be akin to me saying there aren't any issues with Toyotas. As it stands today, I'm much more confident buying a used Toyota, than a used EV. There's much better data, much better infrastructure, and much more after-market support that simply isn't there for EVs.
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Good point about the Roadster, as for the Model S, thanks for proving my point? Nice try. Reading's not a strong suit of yours I take it.

http://www.plugincars.com/tesla-roadster-battery-life-study-85-percent-after-100000-miles-127733.html

I mean do you even read the things you google?
"Stuff that doesn't exist."

That's a nice line. Maybe we need a refresher in basic science

For everyone interested in the actual "science" or the analytics of Tesla. Here are facts regarding Tesla roadsters.

Around 1800 were sold in United States. The cars cost over 100,000. I haven't seen any rigorous studies that followed a large number of these cars to see how the batteries held up. For one, I salute the relatively phenomenal battery longevity at 5 years. It's quite remarkable, but the concern is warranted. Especially since we know how badly batteries have performed in the past. Nissan's internal documents show they expected Nissan Leaf to have 70% capacity after 10 years. Ever use a smartphone anyone? I consider anything below 70% to be a pretty significant detriment to the user experience. My HTC M8 is actually pretty ****ty after 3-4 years at this point.

Let's not forget that buying used electric vehicles is tricky. I mean the counter-argument here is that buying used cars is tricky period, which is a good point. But battery replacements are expensive for all electric cars, and it's not something that you can ignore. Of course, any major repair on any vehicle is expensive, especially at the dealer.

The bottom line is, all vehicles have problems and unlike some of the Tesla fanboys here, their cars aren't perfect either. Electric vehicles exchange one set of problems for another. And saying, he-he ha-ha there are no issues with Teslas, would be akin to me saying there aren't any issues with Toyotas. As it stands today, I'm much more confident buying a used Toyota, than a used EV. There's much better data, much better infrastructure, and much more after-market support that simply isn't there for EVs.

I don't post biased arguments to prove point. I post both the good and bad so persons reading can get informed. I'm not a blind hater.

With that said yes I read what I Google. I'm not trying to paint tesla in a good light.

Now we are at all vehicles have problems... Lol that's how it normally ends when you start off with pointless baseless arguments.

Duh... All vehicles have problems.
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I don't post biased arguments to prove point. I post both the good and bad so persons reading can get informed. I'm not a blind hater.

With that said yes I read what I Google. I'm not trying to paint tesla in a good light

Just trying a little too hard..
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Now we are at all vehicles have problems... Lol that's how it normally ends when you start off with pointless baseless arguments.

Duh... All vehicles have problems.

Highlighting potential issues and causes of concern is not a pointless argument. Claiming that my concern with Tesla's battery technology is "stuff that doesn't exist" is.
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Just trying a little too hard..
Highlighting potential issues and causes of concern is not a pointless argument. Claiming that my concern with Tesla's battery technology is "stuff that doesn't exist" is.

Potential.. How about sticking to the issues and not the ones you make up?

I mean there are enough owners out there and YouTube videos of owners reviewing their cars after owning for 3 years. But it is easier to make stuff up.
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Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

I don't post biased arguments to prove point. I post both the good and bad so persons reading can get informed. I'm not a blind hater.

With that said yes I read what I Google. I'm not trying to paint tesla in a good light.


Now we are at all vehicles have problems... Lol that's how it normally ends when you start off with pointless baseless arguments.

Duh... All vehicles have problems.

Come on now, really???? Any post that isn't 100% fanboying out about Tesla is considered "pointless" and "baseless" to you. I'm not trying to bash on you because I know you are just enthusiastic about Tesla personally and that's fine, but don't try to act like you are unbiased. You probably sleep on Tesla sheets at night! tongue.gif
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Potential.. How about sticking to the issues and not the ones you make up?

Now, now. Are we claiming that there are zero issues with Tesla? Oh boy.
https://forums.tesla.com/de_CH/forum/forums/tesla-model-s-high-voltage-battery-problem
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/main-battery-failure.71768/
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I mean there are enough owners out there and YouTube videos of owners reviewing their cars after owning for 3 years. But it is easier to make stuff up.

I mean I could go on and on and keep posting evidence of people having issues with the battery side of it, or the software side that ****s up the battery... Like how updates can prevent you from charging, but why bother? Clearly these people don't exist, or I'm fabricating this.

Now I'm trying to imagine this happening outside the 8 year warranty period. Oh wait, that'll never happen because these are imaginary problems.
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No product is perfect and that's just a simple fact. My issue is when people attempt to shut down any debate about a product by claiming any potential issues are "made up" simply because they have decided that product is indeed perfect. Tesla makes a very good product for what it is but it is still limited by its core design principles that every EV is still limited by. I really don't believe carrying around batteries is the ultimate answer to EV's and that onboard production of electricity is the real ticket to the future. But right now, in 2017, Tesla's implementation of battery tech is about the best we can do. A lot of these limitations can be mitigated by personal lifestyle (i.e. living in a city with abundant infrastructure, not needing a lot of range for daily commute, not needing to tow, having a garage, etc) but for the majority of people today EV's are simply not as easy to live with as ICE cars/trucks.
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Come on now, really???? Any post that isn't 100% fanboying out about Tesla is considered "pointless" and "baseless" to you. I'm not trying to bash on you because I know you are just enthusiastic about Tesla personally and that's fine, but don't try to act like you are unbiased. You probably sleep on Tesla sheets at night! tongue.gif
rolleyes.gif

I'm am enthusiastic about EVs.

Maybe you all should educate yourselves about EVs before commenting on them like I do.

It is easier to hate what you dont know though.
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rolleyes.gif

I'm am enthusiastic about EVs.

Maybe you all should educate yourselves about EVs before commenting on them like I do.

It is easier to hate what you dont know though.

Where's the "hate" exactly?
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