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Originally Posted by b0oMeR View Post

Market valuation is basically on the whim of longs, which is why amazon can keep rising up even though its price to earnings is ridiculously lopsided.

No it isn't. And Amazon reinvests their profits into itself. It's playing a smart game (one of the only companies to do so) of investing into the long-term, instead of using short-sighted logic that you see in say, retail sales. One only has to look at YoY revenue growth at Amazon to realize the tremendous value they provide.
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Fundamental values however rely on revenues and margins. Simply put, if something bad were to happen to Ford or GM they'd fall less than something bad happening to Tesla, like missing production target for the Model 3.

Fundamental values tell you nothing. If we go by "Fundamental Values" then companies like Facebook should've imploded by now. They provided literally no tangible value to the market for the first five years of their existence. Only now, is the real value of Facebook well-known and their growth is incredibly solid.

I remember the days leading up to, and the immediate aftermath of Facebook's IPO.

"They have no real revenue streams how are they worth billions?"
"How can a company that produces nothing be worth something?"
"Facebook is an overvalued buy for Fools"

There were articles that were calling Facebook way overvalued at 96$ billion in 2013 or 2012. Today Facebook's market cap is at over 400$ billion. Their revenue went from some 800$ million in 2009 to 27$ billion today. Your presumptions about Tesla's value are as foolish as the ones made initially about companies like Uber, Facebook, and Amazon. For every Tesla there is a SolarCity. For every Amazon there's a Pets.com. It's perfectly fine to criticize the valuation of Tesla and to argue that it's overvalued, but relying on arguments like "car sales" and so on is very silly. 99% of all innovation fails, Tesla might become one of those, and maybe even the biggest flop of all time, but it won't be because they didn't sell enough cars. Tesla's failure will be predicated on how well they monetize their big ideas. Tesla is not simply a car company, they are in the business of revolutionizing energy products and the way transportation is done.That's why so many are betting on them to win.
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You are gambling on a valuation hungry stock that is way above its p/e, you can also get rich off these stocks or take a very quick 10% / 20% hit.

The stock isn't hungry for valuation. Valuation is determined by simple demand/supply. As long as the market thinks that there is something valuable to Tesla, people will continue to buy it and drive the stock price up.
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Man, whenever I read the comments of threads like these I wonder if we are in a tech forum or somewhere else.

Tesla is a tech company and it is valued accordingly (ie bollocks). If you're comparing it to traditional car brands you're doing it wrong starting with the news we are discussing. Tesla makes cars, batteries and solar panels and its current value may have more to do with the other two than the cars.
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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Valuation is determined by simple demand/supply. As long as the market thinks that there is something valuable to Tesla, people will continue to buy it and drive the stock price up.

And that's the crux of it.

Markets are barely more rational than the people behind them.
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Tesla makes cars, batteries and solar panels and its current value may have more to do with the other two than the cars.

Stock valuations are all perception.
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Didn't GM go to court to have the subsidies limited on Tesla saying it was unfair. As well as Ford bringing them to court because they don't have dealerships in some states or no middle man-selling them, so they completely blocked the sales in certain cities. Then the Feds only and only gave tesla a 250,000 car limit or something on subsidies but no other manufacture? Just asking.
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Because you don't understand what "value" actually is. That's okay, it seems like nobody does.

T

Well I did make it clear that I did not know how it works.
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Seriously, if you haven't invested in Tesla at this point, what's your excuse?

Do you hate money? lachen.gif

 

Until Tesla cuts a profit, I prefer to keep my money with me.

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Meh... Can't even afford to own one. What good would it do to invest in them ? lol
    
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Until Tesla cuts a profit, I prefer to keep my money with me.

That has zero relevance if you want to make money off Tesla's stock.
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Buying Tesla stock now would be risky. Buy low, sell high, not the other way round. Buying Tesla stock 2-3 years ago would have made you a killing but I don't see it rising too much higher with strong competition in the EV space right on the horizon...
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