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I think you have got me wrong on some parts or I'm not able to argument myself the best I could.

I have NOTHING against where Tesla (or any other company like that) is going. I welcome more greener things however I do not see those things happening soon enough for the said reasons we both have pointed out.

As for the part you replied to me in bold. I get it, the nuclear plants are getting better and better but as you said, those take decades. And to be fair a decade is long long away to consider it to be useful just right now or even in a couple of years. That doesnt mean we shouldnt strive for that of course. But all the things we have discussed (including Tesla and their future), its exactly that right now, the future. Imho we have bigger issues to deal with, even issues how we could get to that future faster.

But at least we can have a good discussion on this even though we seem to see things a bit different.

We sure do, but like you said good discussion. I am not under the impression you're against Tesla per se, but that there is a big gap between 'want' and doing something to attain it. Operating under the status quo with no energy applied towards the goal will never attain it.

It's the first law of physics. An object at rest will tend to stay at rest, unless acted upon by an outside force. Do something to create the force which will result in the changes you want to see. There is no universal committee determining what will happen in the world, for better or for worse its just a bunch of amateurs running around figuring stuff out and trying new things. I'm just sending out an invite to the club, it really is quite fun tongue.gif

Even adding up all of the financials for all of the things tesla does, you STILL won't get the valuation the market has placed on it, because Elon Musk is doing this, has put his money where his heart and mouth are, and is running around with a couple huge groups of other excited amateurs just figuring this stuff out, and people want them to keep doing it.
Edited by Avonosac - 4/14/17 at 7:19am
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We sure do, but like you said good discussion. I am not under the impression you're against Tesla per se, but that there is a big gap between 'want' and doing something to attain it. Operating under the status quo with no energy applied towards the goal will never attain it.

It's the first law of physics. An object at rest will tend to stay at rest, unless acted upon by an outside force. Do something to create the force which will result in the changes you want to see. There is no universal committee determining what will happen in the world, for better or for worse its just a bunch of amateurs running around figuring stuff out and trying new things. I'm just sending out an invite to the club, it really is quite fun tongue.gif

Even adding up all of the financials for all of the things tesla does, you STILL won't get the valuation the market has placed on it, because Elon Musk is doing this, has put his money where his heart and mouth are, and is running around with a couple huge groups of other excited amateurs just figuring this stuff out, and people want them to keep doing it.

Well, like I said he is doing the right thing. I mean, eventually someone has to do it anyway so why not him right? It just takes time to accomplish what the wants to do. And even might take decades.

But once again, thanks for the good and even educational discussion! thumb.gif
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Well, like I said he is doing the right thing. I mean, eventually someone has to do it anyway so why not him right? It just takes time to accomplish what the wants to do. And even might take decades.

But once again, thanks for the good and even educational discussion! thumb.gif

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Ironically, Telsa shouldn't be considered an automaker...

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The company’s 76,000 vehicle deliveries in 2016 represent a mere 0.76 percent of GM (10,000,000) and 1.1 percent of Ford (6,651,000) deliveries. Its $7 billion in 2016 revenue came in at about 4.2 percent of GM’s and 4.6 percent of Ford’s. And its 2016 net loss of $800 million didn’t compete with the $9.4 billion and $4.6 billion annual revenues at GM and Ford, respectively.

So while Tesla might currently be the most valuable auto manufacturer in the U.S., it is neither the largest nor the most powerful. Nor is it even profitable, let alone the most profitable. Some speculate that its present valuation is justified only by its potential, rather than proven performance.

Tesla is not in a place to reasonably compete for the title of top U.S. automaker — perhaps because it just doesn’t fit the category.

Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jones urged investors in an April 5 note to regard Tesla as a transportation or infrastructure company rather than a car company. Only through this lens, considering the company’s $1 trillion logistics market and $2 to $3 trillion energy market, will industry events make sense.


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GM, Ford, et al are not building out all of the required infrastructure to produce cars at volume, tesla is. They are also not spending anywhere near the same percentage of revenue on R&D. That kind of statement is MS saying "our model sucks, so disregard anything which doesn't fit it so it makes sense to you". The whole statement reeks of the preposterous arrogance of wall street at its finest.
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Please show us how many fully electric cars (with proper charging infrastructure, service centers, etc.) are being sold by GM, Ford and others. rolleyes.gif

I am not defending Tesla to absolute end, if their Model 3 does not come out on time, they are in for big trouble from investors.
But it does not make sense to compare Tesla to other car manufacturers solely on "they are car company, so they can be compared". wink.gif

The title says "automaker" and not "electric automaker"...
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Tesla as a company, is more than just an "auto maker" company.

They have other products and services to name a few:

Space company - with all those rockets delivering stuff to space.

Renewable Energy - batteries and solar.

Licensing their IP - some other auto makers license and use Tesla tech/IP

Hyper Loop Transportation - yeah it is a faster and better way to get to Las Vegas. But the main money make for them is cargo/logistics/courier transportation of goods nationwide in the future.

Edit: I remembered reading this the other day regarding plans for a Hyper Loop + USA/Mexico "border wall" proposal. This may explain why stock prices went up:

http://www.businessinsider.com/design-trumps-border-wall-hyperloop-2017-4

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"A group of engineers just submitted this incredible proposal for Trump's border 'wall' that's actually a $15 billion hyperloop"

The plan would cost approximately $15 billion — less than the $21 billion that the Department of Homeland Security estimated a border wall would cost. The designers also predict that their system would create $1 trillion in trade.

The network would also feature several solar farms, which would power the hyperloop. The designers say an equal number of Americans and Mexicans would build the system.

Customs and Border Protection plans to announce in June the 10 companies it wants to hire to build prototypes of the border wall.

Edited by Peter Nixeus - 4/14/17 at 2:26pm
 
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Originally Posted by Peter Nixeus View Post

Tesla as a company, is more than just an "auto maker" company.

They have other products and services to name a few:

Space company - with all those rockets delivering stuff to space.

Renewable Energy - batteries and solar.

Licensing their IP - some other auto makers license and use Tesla tech/IP

Hyper Loop Transportation - yeah it is a faster and better way to get to Las Vegas. But the main money make for them is cargo/logistics/courier transportation of goods nationwide in the future.

Edit: I remembered reading this the other day regarding plans for a Hyper Loop + USA/Mexico "border wall" proposal. This may explain why stock prices went up:

http://www.businessinsider.com/design-trumps-border-wall-hyperloop-2017-4



Its still not too late to incorporate that, actually. While the contract bidding has finished, prototypes are currently being constructed in San Diego, CA. Perfect time to pitch suggestions.
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Originally Posted by Peter Nixeus View Post

Tesla as a company, is more than just an "auto maker" company.

They have other products and services to name a few:

Space company - with all those rockets delivering stuff to space.

SpaceX, the only profitable venue run by Musk, is not a part of Tesla.
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You don't want real life to be like the movies?
Not when Michael Bay is the director I don't..
    
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