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I'm on a really tight budget at the moment and i'm building myself a new system.
My idea is the following:

Mobo: ASRock H110M-HDS
CPU: G4560
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
PSU: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze
SSD: 250GB
GPU: Most likely the upcomming RX570 (RX470 refresh if i'm not mistaken)
AUDIO: Sound Blaster Z

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K4xfjc

I have a few quesions or concerns about the build.

-Will that motherboard support 2400mhz ram after a new BIOS update?
-All i require from the PSU is to be safe and to be fully modular. Is the Seasonic the best choice?
-What SSD should i get for good with price/performance in mind, 250GB. and what if i went 500GB?
-Will my SoundBlaster Z fit on that mobo next to a RX570?
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post #2 of 28
That CPU wont work on that motherboard and i know this because i made exactly that mistake with the same CPU and the same H110 chipset
You will either need a motherboard with a 200 series chipset or you will need a cheap skylake CPU so you can update the motherboard so it will actually work with a Kaby Lake CPU

You will either need to pick a motherboard with a 200 series chipset to get the G4560 working
Or you will have to pick an older Skylake CPU if you want a H110 motherboard

And no the H110 chipset wont work with anything faster then 2133 MHz as far as i know.

As for the PSU you picked its not modular nor is it all that good.
Edited by shilka - 4/10/17 at 9:09am
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post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

That CPU wont work on that motherboard and i know this because i made exactly that mistake with the same CPU and the same H110 chipset
You will either need a motherboard with a 200 series chipset or you will need a cheap skylake CPU so you can update the motherboard so it will actually work with a Kaby Lake CPU

You will either need to pick a motherboard with a 200 series chipset to get the G4560 working
Or you will have to pick an older Skylake CPU if you want a H110 motherboard

And no the H110 chipset wont work with anything faster then 2133 MHz as far as i know.

As for the PSU you picked its not modular nor is it all that good.

Thanks for your reply. This is exactly why i made this topic thumb.gif

If i were to replace the current mobo with the MSI B250M PRO-VD, would that solve my issues concerning the 7th Gen CPU?
It has the B250 Chipset, will that do 2400mhz in combination with the G4560?

Last but not least, you mentioned my PSU not being fully modular and not being that good. Could you recommend me a PSU based on what i need?

Again, thanks for your input!
Edited by unseen0 - 4/10/17 at 9:21am
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post #4 of 28
The B250 chipset should work without any BIOS updates yes and 2400 MHz works according to Asus

As for the PSU and the reason its not very good is its group regulated
Fully modular cheap AND good does exist its either cheap and non/semi modular or fully modular but more expensive

Is fully modular a must or can you live with semi?
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post #5 of 28
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The B250 chipset should work without any BIOS updates yes but i dont know if 2400 MHz will work
I neded up going with a H270 chipset instead and i know that the Asus H270 Plus supports 2400 MHz RAM

As for the PSU and the reason its not very good is its group regulated
Fully modular cheap AND good does exist its either cheap and non/semi modular or fully modular but more expensive

Is fully modular a must or can you live with semi?

A PSU should really outlive the rest of the components before upgrading in my opinion, so i'm absolutely willing to pay more on a PSU that will stay with me for the coming 6-8 years.
The required cables are gonna be the 24-pin Mobo, the 4-pin cpu and a 6pin GPU (i think, on a RX570) . I really would love to not have any exes cables. So if there are any PSU's that are of decent quality that feature just those cables with the option of adding more, i would definitely throw down a bit more on a PSU.
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post #6 of 28
If you want a very good fully modular PSU that can last 5 years or more AND is very small then the EVGA SuperNova G3 is your best option
It cost a little bit more then the G2 but its also a little bit better and its a lot smaller

The G2 550 watt is $80 on newegg right now
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438053&cm_re=EVGA_SuperNova_G2-_-17-438-053-_-Product

The G3 550 watt is $5 more at $85
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438095&cm_re=EVGA_SuperNova_G3-_-17-438-095-_-Product

You should spend the extra $5 unless you are not from the US?
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post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

If you want a very good fully modular PSU that can last 5 years or more AND is very small then the EVGA SuperNova G3 is your best option
It cost a little bit more then the G2 but its also a little bit better and its a lot smaller

The G2 550 watt is $80 on newegg right now
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438053&cm_re=EVGA_SuperNova_G2-_-17-438-053-_-Product

The G3 550 watt is $5 more at $85
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438095&cm_re=EVGA_SuperNova_G3-_-17-438-095-_-Product

You should spend the extra $5 unless you are not from the US?

That's certainly doable considering the fully modular option and the overal performance and quality it's supposed to deliver.
Thanks again, the G3 550W it is!
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Just FYI, the cheaper ryzen chips will be out tomorrow.

If you drop your ram down to 8GB which is totally doable for a system like this, and you don't get a balls to the wall psu, you might just be able to squeeze out a good ryzen build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9mxjc

This has an intel chip as a place holder for the cost of the ryzen 1500.

The benefit of a system like this is that you are getting 2 more physical cores and 4 more virtual cores. That chip can compete with a high end i3 or a low end i5 in games and can go toe to toe with some low end i7s in multi core applications.
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post #9 of 28
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Just FYI, the cheaper ryzen chips will be out tomorrow.

If you drop your ram down to 8GB which is totally doable for a system like this, and you don't get a balls to the wall psu, you might just be able to squeeze out a good ryzen build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9mxjc

This has an intel chip as a place holder for the cost of the ryzen 1500.

The benefit of a system like this is that you are getting 2 more physical cores and 4 more virtual cores. That chip can compete with a high end i3 or a low end i5 in games and can go toe to toe with some low end i7s in multi core applications.

Yes, i'm aware about Ryzen. Been following it's development till now up close thumb.gif
Problem with Ryzen is, it's more expensive, coming in at $169 for the cheapest R5 model. Sure, that is an absolute steal, but i'm not really doing much cpu intensive stuff. I play games now and then, and for that, the G4560 is fine, specially for it's price. There is no real competition in the very low budget. Maybe R3 would, but i want to order this week.
Ryzen may be future proof with it's more cores/threads. But i intend to swap out the G4560 later on for a i5/i7 model anyway. Assuming Cofee Lake and Cannon Lake are gonna be supported by my board and assuming it will still be socket 1151.
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Cofee Lake should be LGA 1151 as well but Cannon Lake probably wont be LGA 1151.
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