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I don't understand how you couldn't recommend a ryzen cpu with someone with a set budget when it is cheaper than intel. Every benchmark i have seen or read gives intel 7-10% performance increase avg in gaming

I'd say it depends on the expected life of the computer before upgrades or a new build is required. A customer would be happier with Ryzen as a gaming computer because both increased core and better future maturity with optimization. That small amount it is behind now won't be there for long! So, you want the best gaming computer for ~1 year? Sure, go Intel. Want something that is better after ~1 year? It's pretty hard to imagine Ryzen wouldn't be the answer. Time will tell, I guess...
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Most benchmarks are on ultra settings?

Data does not lie. I have clients that come to me who want nothing more then a gaming rig on a set budget and with all the benchmarks floating around I have a hard time reccomending ryzen. Especially if you look at benchmarks like doom.

For people who want to do stuff outside gaming yes ryzen is awesome. Production work its hard to beat for the price.

Ryzen is perfect for those on a budget. The performance is close enough that it wouldn't matter in most applications, and gamers on a budget can put the money saved towards a better GPU, monitor or keyboard/mouse.
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I'd say it depends on the expected life of the computer before upgrades or a new build is required. A customer would be happier with Ryzen as a gaming computer because both increased core and better future maturity with optimization. That small amount it is behind now won't be there for long! So, you want the best gaming computer for ~1 year? Sure, go Intel. Want something that is better after ~1 year? It's pretty hard to imagine Ryzen wouldn't be the answer. Time will tell, I guess...

I think any current quad core over 3Ghz will last you at least 5 years. X58 is still holding on and sandy/ivory are good enough for most users.
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I don't understand how you couldn't recommend a ryzen cpu with someone with a set budget when it is cheaper than intel. Every benchmark i have seen or read gives intel 7-10% performance increase avg in gaming

Pricing here in canada has the 1600x at about 10 dollars more then a i5-7600k.

And like you said its roughly 10% faster in gaming. In an all out gaming rig thats all that matters.
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Pricing here in canada has the 1600x at about 10 dollars more then a i5-7600k.

And like you said its roughly 10% faster in gaming. In an all out gaming rig thats all that matters.

Times like these I'm glad I can build my own rig. I would be very upset as a customer if you used that logic to build a pc for me
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Times like these I'm glad I can build my own rig. I would be very upset as a customer if you used that logic to build a pc for me

Why? If some one comes to me the request that all they plan to do is surf the net and game a ton. They have zero desire outside that and want the absolutle best gaming performance for there dollar.

I have another person who asked for a pc that can do everything and they want to do some light content creation with some gaming on the side. That build I will be doing ryzen.
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Ryzen is perfect for those on a budget. The performance is close enough that it wouldn't matter in most applications, and gamers on a budget can put the money saved towards a better GPU, monitor or keyboard/mouse.
I think any current quad core over 3Ghz will last you at least 5 years. X58 is still holding on and sandy/ivory are good enough for most users.

Sure, it'll work. But... games coming out today are already starting to max out what a quad core can offer. So... why would you continue considerations of only 4 cores when more cores can be had for a similar price? Especially when it's only a little behind the quad core, but will undoubtedly get better? I doubt a 7600K will beat a 1600X in 5 years on a modern game.
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Why? If some one comes to me the request that all they plan to do is surf the net and game a ton. They have zero desire outside that and want the absolutle best gaming performance for there dollar.

I have another person who asked for a pc that can do everything and they want to do some light content creation with some gaming on the side. That build I will be doing ryzen.

Unless your client only plays old DX11 games, gives you enough of a budget to pair the cpu with a top of the line gpu and only wants Nvidia, your arguments don't really make sense.
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Sure, it'll work. But... games coming out today are already starting to max out what a quad core can offer. So... why would you continue considerations of only 4 cores when more cores can be had for a similar price? Especially when it's only a little behind the quad core, but will undoubtedly get better? I doubt a 7600K will beat a 1600X in 5 years on a modern game.

Yeah. I would not want to buy a $250 4C CPU today. Even 1500X I would say no to most people. Minimum these days is 1600 if you plan to keep it for 2 years + or 1400 if you plan to get Zen 2.
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Sure, it'll work. But... games coming out today are already starting to max out what a quad core can offer. So... why would you continue considerations of only 4 cores when more cores can be had for a similar price? Especially when it's only a little behind the quad core, but will undoubtedly get better? I doubt a 7600K will beat a 1600X in 5 years on a modern game.

Show me which charts you're looking at because the one in the OP shows a 0.9% difference in the quad vs 8-core at 1080p for the average. Specific games will benefit from multi-threading but that doesn't really matter if the user doesn't plan on playing them. If their budget holds them back from getting a 6-core they're not going to be buying every game out there and most likely stick to the F2P games which rely more on single threaded performance.

It's a $50-$60 difference between a quad and hex. Not a lot but enough to get a nice mouse which can make a bigger difference in the feel than 0.9% more fps. They could get faster RAM which would give them higher minimum fps which will make a bigger difference in feel as well.
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Why? If some one comes to me the request that all they plan to do is surf the net and game a ton. They have zero desire outside that and want the absolutle best gaming performance for there dollar.

I have another person who asked for a pc that can do everything and they want to do some light content creation with some gaming on the side. That build I will be doing ryzen.

Are you talking about the i5 buyers? 1600-1600X are better options as is. As for the 7700k crowd, i would still push towards R7 or 6800k unless they belong to the demographic that focuses on high refresh/esports gaming without strict streaming demands, and/or plan to shoot for 5GHz. AM4 is a brand new platform with years of future as well.
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