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Hi guys. At the end I finally decided to build my first custom loop, thanks to the new pc that i'll buy next week. I read a lot of tutorials and reviews but I still have more than one question :S

First of all, the PC that i'll buy:

CASE: Cooler Master MasterCase Maker 5t
MOBO: ASROCK Z270 Gaming i7 or Gigabyte GA-Z270X Gaming 8
CPU: i7-7700k (i want delid it and OC it as much as I can)
RAM: G.SKILL TridentZ 16gbx2 3200 Mhz
M.2: x2 Samsung EVO 960 500GB
PSU: EVGA Supernova 850 G2

GPU: now I have a GTX 970, but on jun-july i want buy a GTX 1080 Ti or the top ATI gpu.


Looking at my case I can install a double radiators. The front one will be a 380mm, and the top one a 280mm.

Looking some reviews and comparisons, I find out that the "best" radiators 380mm and 280mm are the: EK-CoolStream XE 360 and the EK-CoolStream CE 280 (Dual)

Am I correct about the radiators?

For the fans I read a lot of good things about the Corsair, but i can't decide what type of corsair :S AF120 quiet? Performance? Normal or PWM versions? Really dunno. Or i can try to take Noctua Fans. Any suggestions?

Then i was trying to find a good pump but in this case i can't find anything. Can someone suggest me a good pump pls?

Another thing I was trying to figure out is: soft tube or hard tube? And what dimensions? I saw the procedure to bend the hard tube but I never did it in my life and i haven't the bend tools set.

The last thing is that until June-July i want cool only the cpu and the mobo transistors (if i'll but the Gigabyte 270x Gaming 8), and then i'll buy the new GPU with the correct gpu cooler, and expand the water loop. I think that this isn't a true problem.

Last question, where can I buy water cooling thing? The only site that i can find was Drako.it (i'm from Italy but it's fine for me to buy in europe).


Thank you very much for all the help.
Edited by fevion - 4/11/17 at 6:54am
post #2 of 25
Well when it comes to the radiators, I cant say a word since I have no experience with EK rads myself so I will leave that to someone else to answer biggrin.gif

With the size of the rads you get you cant run fans silent imo. Corsair fans is like all the other fans out there, you either like the sound they make or you dont. Like alot of ppl say Gentle Typhoon is one of the best, sure they cool at low rpm, but for myself I dont like the sound they make, and I dont like the Corsair. Go to a shop or something to listen to the fans you want to buy is my best advice. Since its like buying a set of speakers, its all about YOUR ears.

Do some reading about D5 and DDC pumps on the web is my best answer when it comes to your pump question smile.gif

Soft or hard tubes all depends on your budget, overall looks of the build when you are finished, fitting cost etc etc. And all you really need for hardline bending is a heat-gun, silicone insert, saw, sand paper and a tubing pipe reamer. All the "fancy" bending tools to do 90 degree / 45 degree bends you really dont need since you can make a bending setup yourself with some other parts either out of wood or metal. Or buy some if you are unsure how to it smile.gif Or you can buy 90 degree or 45 degree fittings and just use straight lines with your hardline ( cost will go up fast ).

Here is where I buy my water cooling parts:

http://www.aquatuning.de/

https://www.coolerkit.com/shop/frontpage.html

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk


Happy building
Edited by Cooked CPU - 4/12/17 at 4:59pm
post #3 of 25

In response to the EK rads, I run a Coolstream PE with 3 Thermaltake White Riing fans in my loop. My 8350 is running 5GHz @ 1.5v and max load temp is 50c in synthetic cpu benchmarks and 43-45c while gaming. I do have 3 EK Vardars that I will be putting on a second EK Coolstream within the next week. In the process moving my hardware from a test bench to a case so I'm interested to see how my temps respond to being in a more confined area.

 

I'm pretty happy with the noise level of the Riings. At full speed they do produce some noise but I wear headphones usually, so it's not an issue. The DDC pump I use (see below) is also very quiet, even at 100% speed it's hard to hear.

 

Edit:

 

Just finished reading your post. I saw the part about the EK rads and wanted to respond to that first. Anyways, for my first loop, I bought the EK Liquid 360 Kit. It gives you everything you need to cool your CPU; PWM DDC pump w/ res, rad, tubing, compression fittings, fans, and waterblock. Then I started modding it from there. I went with 10/13 (3/8 x 1/2") clear Primochill Avdanced LRT tubing, EK fittings for the new size tubing, got a bigger res, got the multiport top, installed an inner tube in my res, and I changed to an XSPC Raystorm waterblock due to the EK waterblock not coming with the proper mounting bracket for my Crosshair V.

 

I think the kits are a great place to start and you can mod them very easily. You may want to start with the flex tubing first as I think it will give you confidence putting your first loop together. My only warning, once you go down this dark path of water cooling you won't want to come back... You may want to start working some overtime also :)

 

I have been getting all my stuff from Performance PCs. Haven't had any issues with any of my orders and they are quick to let you know if something is a special order, such as the EK Uni Bracket.


Edited by jestereightfour - 4/13/17 at 1:10pm
post #4 of 25
Hello,

Look at EKWB.com they are in Europe. they have everything would need and you can get ideas there as well.

Thanks
post #5 of 25

A single 360 rad will be able to cool a cpu and gpu just fine. I would use xspc for on a budget. Alphacool if you are going for the best rad.

 

Here is a water cooling guide if you need it. I suggest parts as well.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/913181/water-cooling-guide-for-noobs-always-updated#post11984918

 

Here are a list of stores in this thread to buy wc parts

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/7848/stores-to-buy-watercooling-gear

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post #6 of 25
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Thank you everybody for all the infoes. I have a lot of thing to think about the water cooling.

For example now I'm working on finding the best fans setup. Like I said i made some research and I found that the EK-CoolStream XE 360 was actually the king in performance (if I'm not wrong) and i'm trying to find the best high pressure fans. I know that all the fans have their specific type of noise, but for now I'm working on these values dB/A , m³/h , mm H2O . Do you thing that 60mm thickness is too mucn for a rad?

Oh yea another thing. The case that i'll take have a fans hub that have 2 speed: low (7 volt) and high (12 volt). Do you think it will be better to buy a fans hub that can adjust the rpm more precisely?
Edited by fevion - 4/15/17 at 8:22am
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Thank you everybody for all the infoes. I have a lot of thing to think about the water cooling.

For example now I'm working on finding the best fans setup. Like I said i made some research and I found that the EK-CoolStream XE 360 was actually the king in performance (if I'm not wrong) and i'm trying to find the best high pressure fans. I know that all the fans have their specific type of noise, but for now I'm working on these values dB/A , m³/h , mm H2O . Do you thing that 60mm thickness is too mucn for a rad?

Oh yea another thing. The case that i'll take have a fans hub that have 2 speed: low (7 volt) and high (12 volt). Do you think it will be better to buy a fans hub that can adjust the rpm more precisely?

I'm very happy with the performance of the riing fans, as I said above, however I swapped them out with 3 vardars I had and saw very similar performance, noise and temperature wise. I run my pump off the CPU fan header and my fans off the cpu_opt header. I use Asus AI Suite with Fan Xpert to make a custom curve for both my pump and fans. I've used actual fan controllers in the past and have found that I prefer just letting my software take care of the speeds once set. Just my two cents!
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Mmmm ok so everything have to be plugged into the mobo. But to plug for example 5 fans, I need a splitter, right? And a thing, I saw on my mobo Gibabyte-Z270X-Gaming 8 that there are 2 x system fan/water cooling pump headers. If I plug the pump there, the pump will go variable speed instead of full speed everytime?

In any case it will be great being able to create a curve for the fans.
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Mmmm ok so everything have to be plugged into the mobo. But to plug for example 5 fans, I need a splitter, right? And a thing, I saw on my mobo Gibabyte-Z270X-Gaming 8 that there are 2 x system fan/water cooling pump headers. If I plug the pump there, the pump will go variable speed instead of full speed everytime?

In any case it will be great being able to create a curve for the fans.


My Crosshair V does not have the dedicated pump headers on the motherboard so I can't say much about how those work, but I would assume they are 4 pin PWM. And yes, you would need to have a splitter or two depending on your layout. Just make sure you get the right splitters! I recently was in need of one and made a quick purchase only to find out that one of the end connectors was not the one I needed. I know with my motherboard I have to have something plugged into the CPU fan header or else it will shut itself down after a pre-determined time. I would also assume this is how other boards are but this is the first board I intentionally tried not running anything to that header. This is a nice feature to have if you ever have pump problems though.
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Mmmm ok so everything have to be plugged into the mobo. But to plug for example 5 fans, I need a splitter, right? And a thing, I saw on my mobo Gibabyte-Z270X-Gaming 8 that there are 2 x system fan/water cooling pump headers. If I plug the pump there, the pump will go variable speed instead of full speed everytime?

In any case it will be great being able to create a curve for the fans.


From looking at your card specs http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z270X-Gaming-8-rev-10#kf

Your motherboard comes with the program Smart Fan 5 and with that you can set fan / pump speed as you want or set it to ramp the fans / pump up as tempratures at "X" component gets warmer. The program is pretty forward and easy to use.

You have 2 high amp fan / pump headers on your mobo that can handle up to 2 amp`s ( 24 watts ) of max power draw eatch. If for some strange reason your pump draws more than 24 watts you need to connect the pump directly from your PSU and use a fan splitter with molex or sata power plug so you can still adjust the speed of the pump and at the same time get enough power to it.



As for myself I have the Asus Maximus Hero IX and I run fan hubs hidden in the back of my case. So I dont have a ****load of cables going everywhere on my mobo. Just one fan header can then drive 11 fans with the fan hub since it gets its power from the psu thumb.gif
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