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There's also heat, especially with summer coming up. If you're running air conditioning + 75W additional CPU, you're gonna be charged a lot more than $2 a mo....

An extra 75W is an extra $2.

I still fail to see any valid argument from anyone
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post #102 of 123
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6.77k per hour, at best

Seriously? 6.77 Kelvin is a huge temperature swing in ambient temperature.
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An extra 75W is an extra $2.

I still fail to see any valid argument from anyone

Just because it doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it's irrelevant to everyone else.
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Seriously? 6.77 Kelvin is a huge temperature swing in ambient temperature.
Just because it doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it's irrelevant to everyone else.

If that $2 matters so much, you wouldn't be overclocking your CPU or your RAM. Or you would be using a 1080p, 24" display instead.

Also, as noted earlier, no ones CPU is at 100% during that 4 hours I estimated, so it's probably closer to $1 per month. If $1 per month puts any kind of dent in your budget, you might need to reconsider gaming on a PC. You probably spend much more, in a month, from lights you leave on. Lights that are incandescent and not fluorescent or LED.

I'm just saying that I'd like to see real facts as to white performance per watt is the most important as this guy is saying below.
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people need to stop comparing strictly cores vs. cores. it doesnt make any sense at all. they can have 300 cores as long as it competes in perf/watt rolleyes.gif

And further applied by
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Guess you haven't been around when people constantly complained about wattage. the crowd concerned about power consumption is way bigger than the ocn enthusiasts crowd who cares about performance only. It's one of the biggest motivators on all the new cpu tech and probably also the biggest reason performance has come in small bumps as well.

I just fail to see how this is even relevant and I would like to be shown why because I don't understand. Facts is what I'm looking for

not "because it doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it's irrelevant to everyone else."

Why is it even relevant to anyone?

As I've also said, I'm not looking to start a flame war here, I'm just looking for anything to justify this watt/performance ratio thing he's implying.
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post #104 of 123
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If that $2 matters so much, you wouldn't be overclocking your CPU or your RAM. Or you would be using a 1080p, 24" display instead.

Also, as noted earlier, no ones CPU is at 100% during that 4 hours I estimated, so it's probably closer to $1 per month. If $1 per month puts any kind of dent in your budget, you might need to reconsider gaming on a PC. You probably spend much more, in a month, from lights you leave on. Lights that are incandescent and not fluorescent or LED.

First of all, as mentioned, it won't be $2/month during hot weather. In terms of comfort, you seriously don't want any extra heat if you can help it. It really, REALLY matters. Is it because you're in Canada that you don't care about this?

Secondly, $2 a month = $24 over a year, which is enough to go from a 1500x to a 1600. So yeah, whether you want to admit it or not, small costs add up and also matters. And if it didn't, why the heck would you be considering any Ryzen 5? Heck, why not hop on a $30,000 dual Xeon setup while you're at it.
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First of all, as mentioned, it won't be $2/month during hot weather. In terms of comfort, you seriously don't want any extra heat if you can help it. It really, REALLY matters. Is it because you're in Canada that you don't care about this?

Secondly, $2 a year = $24 over a year, which is enough to go from a 1500x to a 1600. So yeah, whether you want to admit it or not, small costs add up and also matters. And if it didn't, why the heck would you be considering any Ryzen 5? Heck, why not hop on a $30,000 dual Xeon setup while you're at it.

Just seems like your issue is central cooling, or lack the ability to quarantine heat dump or dump it efficiently out of the room.
    
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Just seems like your issue is central cooling, or lack the ability to quarantine heat dump or dump it efficiently out of the room.

Yes, it's just the realistic settings for many PC gamers/enthusiasts; rather than pie in the sky perfect settings/maximum overclock conditions that many here seem to be operating under in a thread about Ryzen 5.
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First of all, as mentioned, it won't be $2/month during hot weather. In terms of comfort, you seriously don't want any extra heat if you can help it. It really, REALLY matters. Is it because you're in Canada that you don't care about this?

Secondly, $2 a month = $24 over a year, which is enough to go from a 1500x to a 1600. So yeah, whether you want to admit it or not, small costs add up and also matters. And if it didn't, why the heck would you be considering any Ryzen 5? Heck, why not hop on a $30,000 dual Xeon setup while you're at it.

Because my 7700K has unmatched single core performance when overclocked and since a dual Xeon setup has less single core performance. I need single core performance for the tasks I do.

If it really matters, why don't you bring in some facts?

As I've said, actual will be about half of what I said, so $1 a month. There are other things you can easily do to get that extra $1 a month.

Also I wasn't considering a Ryzen 5, but since you ask, I'll be getting a 1500X + kit for review from AMD.

Why are you getting so defensive? I'm simply trying to educate myself and you do nothing but give passive aggresive answers with no substance and facts.

edit : I'll ask my question again, why is performance/watt so important?
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Why are you getting so defensive? I'm simply trying to educate myself and you do nothing but give passive aggresive answers with no substance and facts.

When you say that my posts "have no substance and facts", how is that not also passive aggressive? I went through the calculations to show that the difference in power consumption can and will add significantly to ambient temperature - how is that "lacking substance and facts"? My point was that while it may not matter to you, power efficiency matters to me, and many others.
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When you say that my posts "have no substance and facts", how is that not also passive aggressive? I went through the calculations to show that the difference in power consumption can and will add significantly to ambient temperature - how is that "lacking substance and facts"? My point was that while it may not matter to you, power efficiency matters to me, and many others.

Alright, let's go with real values, the TPD, because that's how much heat the CPUs output (not really, but it's closer)

We have a 30W difference between processors. Let's take your calculation again.
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Q = 30 W * 1 hr = 108 kJ

Standard bedroom size: 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft -> 32.6 m^3 * 1.225 kg/m3 = 39.9 kg

Specific heat of air: ~1.0 kJ/(kg K)

delta T = 108 kJ / (1kJ/(kg K) * 39.9 kg) =2.708K

But, no matter which CPU you have, you'll gain this much regardless, would you? Basically what you're after is most performance for that 2.708K increase? Wouldn't a R7 1700 be better then?

What you're actually after, from what I'm understanding is "Most performance for 2.708K increase that first within your budget". If so, we're not on the same page at all here.
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lack the ability to dump it efficiently out of the room.

I actually have that problem with my home office. Kinda of a PITA particularly in the summer as the PC waste heat combines with the Sun's heat from hitting the SW facing windows in the afternoon. I'm not really sure the solution though I've considered adding a mini-split just for that room and/or adding transom windows above the interior doors into that room neither of which are particularly cheap options.
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