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My system specs:

Tower 900, two Strix GTX 980ti OC models in SLI, Asus Rampage V Edition 10, i7-5960x, 32GB DDR4.

I used your config app and now have a suggested parts list for my first (technically 2nd) custom loop. The suggestion is for dual 560s and I need space for my HDDs so I need to go with 480s. I already have a 240mm res which I purchased a while back.

My current loop was a rush job because I got tired of my 2nd 980ti getting hot while gaming - it would occasionally hit 80c using the stock air cooler. I was able to bring it down to ~72c when I forced the made the fans run all the time. In that loop I attempted to add a larger rad a 360mmx64mm (different brand due to impulse to get it on water cooling & expanding my old loop) which was a disaster. Due to terrible flow I had to pull the swiftech H320x2 AIO and I picked up another D5 kit with a 240res. That pump/res leaked badly (RMA in process). So I installed my other D5 pump/res - no leaks Thankfully. But my gaming temps are still higher than I like. I still hit 70c with my fans on 100%.

I will be ditching my hodge-podge loop in favor of better quality parts - specifically rads.

Is it better to have the surface area to get the best cooling or volume?? or is it a combination of both??

Can you help me understand which is the best route so I can reduce my gaming temps.

Thanks

Rich
post #2 of 7
It's about surface area. 120mm per component and 240mm surface area per component that is overclocked.
 
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So going by what you've suggested my quickie loop is not quite enough..... with my current set of rads I'm at 600mm.

When does the thickness of the rad come into play? Does fluid volume ever become a factor?

Thanks

Rich
post #4 of 7
Thickness of rad doesn't really come into play, it will be a bit better, but surface is what is required. If your pump can control the fluid. Try it on medium and then high and see what gives you best results. Again the fluid motion is negligible as your fluid will reach the same temp after a while. I find running on medium speed gives you a 1-2C more since the fluid is not sitting as long on the dies.
 
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You can not only say: 120 for normal parts and 240 for OC parts, because (only an Example) an GTX1060 OC make a lot less heat, than an normal GTX1080ti

So the most import thing is, to find out how much heat you need to cool. Here the Power consumption is an good indication (not 100% the same, but as sad only an indication).

For normal cooling you can say 1x120mm radiator for 100W, for quiet cooling 1x120mm for 75W (more Radiator Space = better cooling an slower fans, so quieter)

The Thickness is far less important than the flat Surface, so I will go with slim (25-30mm) or medium (35-40mm).

The case the radiator surface is a little tight for the needed cooling and you have space in you case for a thicker radiator, you can gif it a try, if it help.
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My current D4 is a PWM version, I'll mess with the curves. I do have the datalogs from the PSU, just never thought of using it for the wattage !!

I need to figure a way to mount the drives differently, if I can do that then I can use the 2 - 560rads.


I'll tinker with the datalog and see what info I can find.

BBL!

-Rich
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Well I didn't dive very far into the datalogs too many distractions so I just went with the configurator list.... 2 - 560 rads. D5, and a 300mm res.... Will start a new thread when I take my system offline and change it over. biggrin.gif
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