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For Europe the X370 Prime Pro is a solid choice.

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=mbam4&xf=317_X370
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K3 ~ € 142 --- overpriced RGB board with a BCLK that is not going to help with a weaker B350 - level VRM
  • MSI X370 SLI Plus ~ € 147 --- supposed to be okay VRM (same as X370 Pro Carbon) but everything else is cut down (audio is ALC892, LAN is Realtek , 2nd M.2 slot gone, etc)
  • ASUS Prime X370-Pro ~ € 159


  • ASRock X370 Killer SLI ~ € 160 ---- typically weaker VRM than X370 Prime Pro , weaker audio ALC892 , missing USB 3.1 Gen2 on specsheet
  • MSI X370 Krait Gaming ~ € 160 supposed to be okay VRM (same as X370 Pro Carbon) but everything else is cut down (audio is ALC892, LAN is Realtek , 2nd M.2 slot gone, etc) , difference to X370 SLI Plus is mainly better capacitors
  • ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ~ € 162 ---- typically weaker VRM than X370 Prime Pro , adds post code debug LED
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K5 ~ € 178 --- it's a very overpriced RGB board with BCLK that is not going to help with a weaker B350 - level VRM , Intel LAN is only major difference to K3
  • MSI X370 Gaming Pro carbon ~ € 180 --- supposed to be same VRM as X370 SLI Plus
  • Biostar X370GT7 ~ € 184 --- top tier VRM , with Realtek LAN
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming 5 ~ € 208 --- extras that add on to the price (dual LAN/audio , RGB), the VRM is on par with ASUS Prime X370 Pro
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K7 ~ € 248 --- extras that add on to the price (dual LAN/audio, RGB), the VRM is on par with ASUS Prime X370 Pro , BCLK gen
  • ASRock X370 Taichi ~ € 252 --- top tier VRM , BLCK gen , wifi+BT, overkill memory VRM uses TI NexFET components in 2 phase configuration
  • ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero ~ € 258 ---- top tier VRM , BLCK gen
  • ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming € 287 = Taichi + 5GBps LAN + power/reset buttons
  • MSI X370 XPower Gaming titanium € 300 = decent VRM, hilariously bad pricing

edit: The MSI B350 B350 Gaming Pro carbon looks quite promising but we don't have full information. Many places I've seen put it about $140-150USD / €150 which is pretty poor value

https://msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PRO-CARBON.html

"Also made available is the more price friendly B350 GAMING PRO CARBON that features all the goodness from the X370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC motherboard, such as Mystic Light RGB, M.2 Shield, GAMING I/O cover but on the B350 chipset and focuses solely on GAMING LAN for its networking." - https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-launches-new-ryzen-x370-and-b350-gaming-motherboards.html
Edited by AlphaC - 4/12/17 at 11:05pm
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post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

For Europe the X370 Prime Pro is a solid choice.

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=mbam4&xf=317_X370
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K3 ~ € 142 --- overpriced RGB board with a BCLK that is not going to help with a weaker B350 - level VRM
  • MSI X370 SLI Plus ~ € 147 --- supposed to be okay VRM (same as X370 Pro Carbon) but everything else is cut down (audio is ALC892, LAN is Realtek , 2nd M.2 slot gone, etc)
  • ASUS Prime X370-Pro ~ € 159


  • ASRock X370 Killer SLI ~ € 160 ---- typically weaker VRM than X370 Prime Pro , weaker audio ALC892 , missing USB 3.1 Gen2 on specsheet
  • MSI X370 Krait Gaming ~ € 160 supposed to be okay VRM (same as X370 Pro Carbon) but everything else is cut down (audio is ALC892, LAN is Realtek , 2nd M.2 slot gone, etc) , difference to X370 SLI Plus is mainly better capacitors
  • ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ~ € 162 ---- typically weaker VRM than X370 Prime Pro , adds post code debug LED
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K5 ~ € 178 --- it's a very overpriced RGB board with BCLK that is not going to help with a weaker B350 - level VRM , Intel LAN is only major difference to K3
  • MSI X370 Gaming Pro carbon ~ € 180 --- supposed to be same VRM as X370 SLI Plus
  • Biostar X370GT7 ~ € 184 --- top tier VRM , with Realtek LAN
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming 5 ~ € 208 --- extras that add on to the price (dual LAN/audio , RGB), the VRM is on par with ASUS Prime X370 Pro
  • Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K7 ~ € 248 --- extras that add on to the price (dual LAN/audio, RGB), the VRM is on par with ASUS Prime X370 Pro , BCLK gen
  • ASRock X370 Taichi ~ € 252 --- top tier VRM , BLCK gen , wifi+BT, overkill memory VRM uses TI NexFET components in 2 phase configuration
  • ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero ~ € 258 ---- top tier VRM , BLCK gen
  • ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming € 287 = Taichi + 5GBps LAN + power/reset buttons
  • MSI X370 XPower Gaming titanium € 300 = decent VRM, hilariously bad pricing

edit: The MSI B350 B350 Gaming Pro carbon looks quite promising but we don't have full information. Many places I've seen put it about $140-150USD / €150 which is pretty poor value

https://msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PRO-CARBON.html

"Also made available is the more price friendly B350 GAMING PRO CARBON that features all the goodness from the X370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC motherboard, such as Mystic Light RGB, M.2 Shield, GAMING I/O cover but on the B350 chipset and focuses solely on GAMING LAN for its networking." - https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-launches-new-ryzen-x370-and-b350-gaming-motherboards.html

Great post, should be a sticky IMHO.
It's exactly what I wanted.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be a hidden gem in there for those looking for substance over goodies. The Asus prime is kinda it (which is so weird as Asus is usually overpriced) lacking only the gen clock for OC. If only it had an I/O cover like the others in its price range and like is Asus Z170/270 counterparts, this is the only thing that bugs me.
Other than that, it's obvious that the Biostar stands out, but I ain't touching it due to the need for many bios updates for ryzen (memory comp etc)

To be honest, I could invest on the Hero that combines all, to have a good base and be able to keep it later when I upgrade to say Zen2 or a cheaper R7 , but I don't like that a "lower" ROG model has the price of a higher one because there are not anymore released yet. I believe if there was also a Sabertooth and Crosshair Formula out for example, the prices would be more like Hero 200e, Sabertooth 240e, Formula 280e.
Question is, will Asus add those SOONER, or later?

Lastly I am trying to figure out how much of a bonus bclk gen is. I mean with the Ryzen having a hard time overclocking RAM, is it a memory controller problem (which bclk gen should not solve, if the cpu cant run memory at 3400mhz, doesnt matter if u skip the multi problem and get there in another way) or is it a max (working) memory divider problem. If its the latter and with Ryzen benefiting a lot with memory speed, I think the bclk gen is worth it, but this makes the mobo choice much harder again!
post #13 of 23
The next microcode update will make 3200 much easier to hit on most if not all 3200 rated kits. Elmor(from Asus ROG team) has confirmed this much from early agesa code they are testing internally at asus. No need to consider blck chip if memory speed is your only concern.

Also, blck adjustments will most likely be possible even without the chip. MSI Beta bios have had it added(msi mobos do not have the clock generator chip). The difference should be the granularity possible with vs without it and will it be added by other manufacturers or not... I think since msi does not include the chip on any model they will add it to all (the beta bios for the b350 had it...) but other brands are will likely not be adding that functionality keep that feature on the higher end models only. The marketing team will decide I guess. But one thing we know.. It is possible.
Edited by L33tBastard - 4/13/17 at 3:44am
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The next microcode update will make 3200 much easier to hit on most is not all 3200 rated kits. Elmor(from Asus ROG team) has confirmed this much from early agesa code they are testing internally at asus. No need to consider blck chip if memory speed is your only concern.

Also, blck adjustments will most likely be possible even without the chip. MSI Beta bios have had it added(msi mobos do not have the clock generator chip). The difference should be the granularity possible with vs without it and will it be added by other manufacturers or not... I think since msi does not include the chip on any model they will add it to all (the beta bios for the b350 had it...) but other brands are will likely not be adding that functionality keep that feature on the higher end models only. The marketing team will decide I guess. But one thing we know.. It is possible.

Iirc there are other limitations beyond granularity when adjusting bclk without an external clock generator...
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I'm in the same boat as you, but need to stay mATX. Looking at this new ASRock B350 that got released today or yesterday. Seems to have 9 phases. Can't figure out why it's so cheap...

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762&ignorebbr=1


VRM is using doublers . Check vrm here

No usb 3.1

Hm, despite vrm I am not crazy about I kinda like this one. I'm not a fan of rgb but they managed to put a header on this board which is something that others in this segment lack. (Though I'd honestly rather have another fan header , but they managed that as well)
2 m2 slots, even if the second is sata and would disable 2 of the 4 headers.


I'm tempted to get one.
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VRM is using doublers . Check vrm here

No usb 3.1

Hm, despite vrm I am not crazy about I kinda like this one. I'm not a fan of rgb but they managed to put a header on this board which is something that others in this segment lack. (Though I'd honestly rather have another fan header , but they managed that as well)
2 m2 slots, even if the second is sata and would disable 2 of the 4 headers.


I'm tempted to get one.

+Rep, thanks for that find. I almost pulled the trigger last night. So counting the chokes isn't a clear cut way to determine phase count, interesting.
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+Rep, thanks for that find. I almost pulled the trigger last night. So counting the chokes isn't a clear cut way to determine phase count, interesting.

It determines phase count but not the number of phases actually interleaved. Without interleaving you're just using double the components per phase (so about half the load) but you don't gain the ripple current and other performance advantages of more phases. Ideally you want something akin to an IR3599 for quad output (drives mosfets 0º, 90º, 180º, and 270º out of phase with 1/4 of the PWM frequency) or IR3598 for dual output (drives the two mosfets 180° out of phase for half the effective switching frequency).
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If you are looking for wifi+BT , a second M.2 slot with PCie support (as opposed to SATA3) and top tier VRM in the USA, the ~$190-200 Asrock X370 Taichi is a solid choice over the X370 Prime Pro. However, for most users the X370 Prime Pro is currently the mainstream board that is most well rounded.
Edited by AlphaC - 4/13/17 at 3:21pm
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I'm using a 100 dollar motherboard on my 1700x the ASUS PRIME b350 matx (vrm's don't even have heatsinks). I was able to overclock to 3.9ghz. I don't think you'll have any problems with ANY 150 dollars boards for a r5 1600 thumb.gif

     
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It determines phase count but not the number of phases actually interleaved. Without interleaving you're just using double the components per phase (so about half the load) but you don't gain the ripple current and other performance advantages of more phases. Ideally you want something akin to an IR3599 for quad output (drives mosfets 0º, 90º, 180º, and 270º out of phase with 1/4 of the PWM frequency) or IR3598 for dual output (drives the two mosfets 180° out of phase for half the effective switching frequency).
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Thank you for that. You lost me towards the end but the beginning made sense. I'm looking for something solid in the B350 mATX form factor, that simple. There are barely any boards that cost over $100. Just want something $120-$150ish with 6 phase. Is that asking too much this early on from a new platform?

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I'm using a 100 dollar motherboard on my 1700x the ASUS PRIME b350 matx (vrm's don't even have heatsinks). I was able to overclock to 3.9ghz. I don't think you'll have any problems with ANY 150 dollars boards for a r5 1600 thumb.gif


That was a bold move. We use CSM boards at work. The lack of heatsink over VRM's is a no-no for overclocking isn't it?
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There's no B350 board existing that is worth solidly recommending for anything past 1.25ish or 1.3V (about 3.8GHz). The B350 Pro Carbon might be worth it if it isn't priced as high as they are asking currently ($135-150 for a B350 board is ridiculous , it should be at most $120-125 unless the featureset is amazing compared to a $140 X370 board).

The mATX options aren't too stellar either IMO. It's largely a draw between the Gigabyte B350M Gaming 3 and the MSI B350M Mortar (comes in white "arctic" version also) , with the B350M Gaming 3 having USB 3.1 Gen 2 & dual BIOS while the Mortar has steel PCIe slot, DDR4-3200MHz support listed for more memory kits on QVL, and better audio.

B350 in general for all manufacturers needs some improvement.
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