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I'm a bit worried though, I am on the WIn10 creators update and apparently ICC profiles aren't working due to an NVIDIA driver bug. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1003026/psa-windows-1703-creators-update-breaks-colour-profiles-with-nvidia-gpus-icc-and-nvidia-/?offset=15

I don't see a problem with the ICC profiles + Nvidia graphics, i would immediately notice if the profile is not correct applied.
Although i won't advice to set any color specific settings in the nvidia control panel, only on the monitor itself.

Another thing might be the difference between windowed and fullscreen, borderless window uses the windows desktop (aero?) framebuffer with the ICC profile applied.
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Mine comes tomorrow, I will run my retail i1 display pro via the dell calibration tool and post the ICC profile for you to compare.

I'm a bit worried though, I am on the WIn10 creators update and apparently ICC profiles aren't working due to an NVIDIA driver bug. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1003026/psa-windows-1703-creators-update-breaks-colour-profiles-with-nvidia-gpus-icc-and-nvidia-/?offset=15

Maybe this is why your ICC profile isn't working correctly? Someone claims disabling the gamebar fixes the problem.

It is doing something as the screen doesn't look like someone feed me shrooms after the calibration finished (all the presets on the monitor look crazy to me.) It looks pretty darn good now. Calman is very broken with it and i'm working with their support. Even if i can't use it to calibrate, i'd like something other than my eyes to confirm the correct colors. (and i'm find if it isn't perfect.. but it should be close biggrin.gif )

i'm also unclear how much the software changed via DDC and how much is the ICC? also "calirationloader 5.0" loads on startup now. that is doing something too.
Edited by Zurv - 4/19/17 at 4:47pm
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I think gaming developers need to stop making crap-tastic forms of AA and go back to MSAA and SSAA. 4K with 4x MSAA or 4x SSAA has no aliasing to my eyes and doesn't need DPI scaling.

Due to consoles, all we get now is FXAA and other nonsense that just blurs the picture and is better left off.

MSAA isn't feasible anymore, with most aliasing in games being shader aliasing which MSAA doesn't remove. Plus, deferred rendering is commonly used, hence why MSAA has massive performance impact in most modern games that have it (worse than SSAA).

Every game needs TAA and SSAA as well as sharpening sliders. SSAA will become less necessary as resolution increases.
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It is doing something as the screen doesn't look like someone feed me shrooms after the calibration finished (all the presets on the monitor look crazy to me.) It looks pretty darn good now. Calman is very broken with it and i'm working with their support. Even if i can't use it to calibrate, i'd like something other than my eyes to confirm the correct colors. (and i'm find if it isn't perfect.. but it should be close biggrin.gif )

i'm also unclear how much the software changed via DDC and how much is the ICC? also "calirationloader 5.0" loads on startup now. that is doing something too.

Honestly if I require an ICC profile to make it look acceptable I will probably send it back. That's just not acceptable for it's price, there should be an accurate 6500k preset with no colors exceeding 5-6dE off or so. That's not asking much since 5-6dE is still pretty far off

ICC profiles are a headache. You must play games in borderless windowed which some games don't like. I don't have any of that to mess with on a OLED TV. It has 20 point controls and everything you need to manually dial everything <1dE. I don't expect full control, but I expect dell to get it dang close before shipping them.
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Honestly if I require an ICC profile to make it look acceptable I will probably send it back. That's just not acceptable for it's price, there should be an accurate 6500k preset with no colors exceeding 5-6dE off or so. That's not asking much since 5-6dE is still pretty far off

ICC profiles are a headache. You must play games in borderless windowed which some games don't like. I don't have any of that to mess with on a OLED TV. It has 20 point controls and everything you need to manually dial everything <1dE. I don't expect full control, but I expect dell to get it dang close before shipping them.

I wish high end monitors had the same level of control as high end TVs. Just another thing monitors tend to lack.

You can force a color profile into fullscreen games though. It requires software, like ReShade TuningPalette.
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Honestly if I require an ICC profile to make it look acceptable I will probably send it back. That's just not acceptable for it's price, there should be an accurate 6500k preset with no colors exceeding 5-6dE off or so. That's not asking much since 5-6dE is still pretty far off

ICC profiles are a headache. You must play games in borderless windowed which some games don't like. I don't have any of that to mess with on a OLED TV. It has 20 point controls and everything you need to manually dial everything <1dE. I don't expect full control, but I expect dell to get it dang close before shipping them.

For the price, it's kind of ridiculous there's no built in LUT. That was one thing I really liked about my UM95, you could load the color profiles onto the monitor itself.
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For the price, it's kind of ridiculous there's no built in LUT. That was one thing I really liked about my UM95, you could load the color profiles onto the monitor itself.

Exactly, I had the same monitor and calibrating it was as simple as connecting an i1, clicking a button, and waiting. I am leaning towards buying a 65" Samsung A1E OLED if this doesn't work out. After I sell my E6, it would actually be less than this monitor.
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Honestly if I require an ICC profile to make it look acceptable I will probably send it back. That's just not acceptable for it's price, there should be an accurate 6500k preset with no colors exceeding 5-6dE off or so. That's not asking much since 5-6dE is still pretty far off

For a screen being advertised for content creating professionals, that is factory calibrated, and that costs $3500-- I sure hope it's way better than 5-6de(obviously, ideally <2)! My main interest in the screen is for a photography/video workflow. Gaming and productivity would be a very nice side benefit, but I have a 240hz monitor for anything competitive and a 65" c6 oled for anything non-competitive. Very curious about the color accuracy out of the box, especially as it sounds like the i1's might not be an ideal tool to calibrate with. If it's not accurate in srgb and adobe color spaces then it just doesn't make sense to buy the screen in my circumstance. I almost placed an order today, but decided to hold off and wait for your opinion just to add a few more voices to the discussion that have real experience with the screen.
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For a screen being advertised for content creating professionals, that is factory calibrated, and that costs $3500-- I sure hope it's way better than 5-6de(obviously, ideally <2)! My main interest in the screen is for a photography/video workflow. Gaming and productivity would be a very nice side benefit, but I have a 240hz monitor for anything competitive and a 65" c6 oled for anything non-competitive. Very curious about the color accuracy out of the box, especially as it sounds like the i1's might not be an ideal tool to calibrate with. If it's not accurate in srgb and adobe color spaces then it just doesn't make sense to buy the screen in my circumstance. I almost placed an order today, but decided to hold off and wait for your opinion just to add a few more voices to the discussion that have real experience with the screen.

Yeah, you'll probably be better off with a screen with built-in hardware LUT. As x3sphere said, any expensive monitor ($1500+) for this purpose should have it.
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Yeah, you'll probably be better off with a screen with built-in hardware LUT. As x3sphere said, any expensive monitor ($1500+) for this purpose should have it.

What I don't get is they claim this is factory calibrated on the Dell website. If the colors are more than 3 dE off, it was NOT factory calibrated. It's false advertisement in my eyes and would warrant an immediate return. It seems like they calibrate the grayscale and gamma, but not the colors based on the paper that comes with the monitor.

Like someone stated above, this is designed for editing. It's very, very important for this monitor to be under 3dE, out of the box, for those purposes. If you can easily tell colors are off with a naked eye, it's gotta be at least 6-9dE off.
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