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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

My conclusion after a few hours with it, not worth the price tag. A monitor like this should come calibrated in standard gamut for accuracy. It should have hardware calibration that loads into the monitor, bypassing ICC profiles. They cut out way too much. Why exactly is this $3500 when you can grab 2016 65" 4K OLEDs for ~$2200 when on sale?

PROS over my 65" E6:

- PPI is great
- Uniformity way better, both white and near black
- ABSL (dimming when image is bright) is far less aggressive

CONS over my 65" E6:

- Way less immersive due to only 30"
- Has a fan which in my opinion is very noticeable
- Colors are super oversaturated with no easy way to fix
- Doesn't seem to support hardware calibration and calibration settings in the monitor itself are limited.
- (Defect) has 1 pixel wide white stripe going from the top bezel to the bottom bezel 1 inch from the right side. Box shows no sign of damage.

My honest opinion: Buy 55" or 65" OLED TV instead. Put your keyboard and mouse and small stand with wheels and sit 5-6 feet away, buy/make a 5-6 foot deep desk, or put your desk 5-6 feet away from the wall and wall mount the TV.

If you absolutely do not want a TV setup, then this is still better than any other LCD monitor as long as you can tolerate 60hz.

did you calibrate it and have it do corrections? (the free software isn't great.. but it is something.) It does have hardware calibrations. ie, It supports DDC.
also, go sli sir! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

My conclusion after a few hours with it, not worth the price tag. A monitor like this should come calibrated in standard gamut for accuracy. It should have hardware calibration that loads into the monitor, bypassing ICC profiles. They cut out way too much. Why exactly is this $3500 when you can grab 2016 65" 4K OLEDs for ~$2200 when on sale?

PROS over my 65" E6:

- PPI is great
- Uniformity way better, both white and near black
- ABSL (dimming when image is bright) is far less aggressive

CONS over my 65" E6:

- Way less immersive due to only 30"
- Has a fan which in my opinion is very noticeable
- Colors are super oversaturated with no easy way to fix
- Doesn't seem to support hardware calibration and calibration settings in the monitor itself are limited.
- (Defect) has 1 pixel wide white stripe going from the top bezel to the bottom bezel 1 inch from the right side. Box shows no sign of damage.

My honest opinion: Buy 55" or 65" OLED TV instead. Put your keyboard and mouse and small stand with wheels and sit 5-6 feet away, buy/make a 5-6 foot deep desk, or put your desk 5-6 feet away from the wall and wall mount the TV.

If you absolutely do not want a TV setup, then this is still better than any other LCD monitor as long as you can tolerate 60hz.

Thank u for your report . How u find HDR content / HDR pictures / movies / games with this OLED Non HDR VS your 65" E6 OLED HDR ?
Is really OLED need HDR for pc gaming monitor in the future or this oled will be enough for both ( current Non HDR games and upcoming HDR games / movies ) ?
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did you calibrate it and have it do corrections? (the free software isn't great.. but it is something.) It does have hardware calibrations. ie, It supports DDC.
also, go sli sir! smile.gif

I am not willing to have to use an ICC profile to correct a $3500 monitor. It should have built-in LUT for this price and/or better internal controls. I did try it, but like all ICC profiles it's not loading in 90% of the games I play and I am not using a 3rd party program to force ICC profiles. Don't have to bother with any of that when using an OLED TV.

Even with the ICC profile, some colors were pretty far off from Rec709 (over saturated) but it was better.
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Thank u for your report . How u find HDR content / HDR pictures / movies / games with this OLED Non HDR VS your 65" E6 OLED HDR ?
Is really OLED need HDR for pc gaming monitor in the future or this oled will be enough for both ( current Non HDR games and upcoming HDR games / movies ) ?

You can't do HDR on this monitor, and in my opinion HDR adds a bit too much input lag for my tastes (at least on my E6). It's probably much better on the 2017 models, which get brighter and also have less input lag overall. Only time I use HDR is for 4K Blu-ray.
Edited by Murlocke - 4/20/17 at 4:32pm
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It should have built-in LUT for this price and/or better internal controls.
It has a 14-bit Gamma LUT. (says the manual)

Also, even with the crappy free software don't confuse what ICC is doing and changes it can make without it. There is a drop down for 3x3 and 5x5. It does something. What? No idea, that is real limited software.

some place on the monitor is "Dedicated Custom Color Mode (6-axis Color-control) for Saturation, Hue, Gain (RGB) and offset (RGB)."
I'm not clear were that is. It might be the different options when you set to movie mode.

Also, a large TV and monitor are not the same thing. They are in different market segments and used for different things. My g6 was WAAAAY more money than this screen and a lot would totally suck as a monitor. It is to darn big. Also, while minor, there is some IR if i clean desktop images up for a bit. (which are minor and go away pretty quicky, but would be totally annoying for a monitor i sit at for 10+ hours a day.) I've noticed zero IR on this monitor so far. Not even a hint of it. There are static white windows sitting up almost all the time and not a hint of them are left after they are moved.

The colors are a big deal and while Dell f's up a lot.. it really can't be this bad can it and not fixable? I'm hoping a software update with calman can fix it (along with my new meter coming tomorrow.) That said, F U dell. How they could sell something looking like this out of the box is shocking.

I still need a monitor and because I have OLED TVs from 2015, 2016, and 2017 that doesn't change that need (for me.)

side note as i read the manual more:
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The Dell UltraSharp UP3017Q monitor has an Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode (AMOLED) that uses LTPS TFT(Low Temperature Poly Silicon Thin Film Transistor) as switching components

we are pretty sure this is a Sammy screen right? Are the sony screens also AM?

also, return it if you have a bad pixel. This cost to much to have a defect like that. (also, i moved the monitor and from the back i can hear the fan, but luckily i don't notice it from the front).
I'm personally trying hard to come up with reasons to keep it. The small size (coming from 32" bugs me a little, the colors bug me more... but the blacks are real yummy...)
Edited by Zurv - 4/20/17 at 5:22pm
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It has a 14-bit Gamma LUT. (says the manual)

Also, even with the crappy free software don't confuse what ICC is doing and changes it can make without it. There is a drop down for 3x3 and 5x5. It does something. What? No idea, that is real limited software.

some place on the monitor is "Dedicated Custom Color Mode (6-axis Color-control) for Saturation, Hue, Gain (RGB) and offset (RGB)."
I'm not clear were that is. It might be the different options when you set to movie mode.

Also, a large TV and monitor are not the same thing. They are in different market segments and used for different things. My g6 was WAAAAY more money than this screen and a lot would totally suck as a monitor. It is to darn big. Also, while minor, there is some IR if i clean desktop images up for a bit. (which are minor and go away pretty quicky, but would be totally annoying for a monitor i sit at for 10+ hours a day.) I've noticed zero IR on this monitor so far. Not even a hint of it. There are static white windows sitting up almost all the time and not a hint of them are left after they are moved.

The colors are a big deal and while Dell f's up a lot.. it really can't be this bad can it and not fixable? I'm hoping a software update with calman can fix it (along with my new meter coming tomorrow.) That said, F U dell. How they could sell something looking like this out of the box is shocking.

I still need a monitor and because I have OLED TVs from 2015, 2016, and 2017 that doesn't change that need (for me.)

side note as i read the manual more:
we are pretty sure this is a Sammy screen right? Are the sony screens also AM?

also, return it if you have a bad pixel. This cost to much to have a defect like that. (also, i moved the monitor and from the back i can hear the fan, but luckily i don't notice it from the front).
I'm personally trying hard to come up with reasons to keep it. The small size (coming from 32" bugs me a little, the colors bug me more... but the blacks are real yummy...)

You can get used 65" G6 for only $1500 now. My friend bought a brand new 65" E6 for $2200 last week. The prices dropped like mad lately. This price would have made sense a year or two ago.

I use my 65" E6 as a monitor for going on 4200 hours now without issues, uses the same panel as the G6. All it requires is a setup designed around a TV and sitting further back. Obviously, if you throw a 65" on a normal computer desk it's going to not work very well. I actually prefer it, when playing games like Witcher 3 it feels like I am actually there, it's so immersive, especially with 7.2.4 audio.

I play games like WoW with a static UI for 12-15 hours a day at times, and never noticed IR in real content.. only if I throw up a solid gray screen. It's definitely a non-issue.

This monitor screams "baidaid fixes, ship out remaining stock to cut loses". Fan in monitor, build dates going back 6 months ago, manual claiming the monitor has things it doesn't, colors being inaccurate, etc. They just patched up the remaining issues and started selling them I think.
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EDIT: i'm really trying to hear it now.. ear to the monitor (the front as i'm not going to move the monitor) and I hear nothing.

My guess is your fan isn't working at all then. It's not quiet by any means, or at least mine wasn't. I did notice at times it wasn't spinning, it seems to kick on randomly but the majority of the time it was on. Room is a typical 70F.
Edited by Murlocke - 4/20/17 at 5:48pm
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You can get used 65" G6 for only $1500 now. My friend bought a brand new 65" E6 for $2200 last week. The prices dropped like mad lately. This price would have made sense a year or two ago.

I use my 65" E6 as a monitor for going on 4200 hours now without issues, uses the same panel as the G6. All it requires is a setup designed around a TV and sitting further back. Obviously, if you throw a 65" on a normal computer desk it's going to not work very well.

I play games like WoW with a static UI for 12-15 hours a day at times, and never noticed IR in real content.. only if I throw up a solid gray screen. It's definitely a non-issue.

even ebay G6s are over 4k still.. but that doesn't matter. The 2017 units and the way to go unless you want 3d. IR is minor but still there TVs. They go away real quickly. 55"? you are a crazy person smile.gif
What is your job that you are working on that?


also, someone (i'm not screw with tons of sub OSD menus) might want to play around with the costum color. There are a bunch of submenus each with a lot of options for screwing with the color.
Edited by Zurv - 4/20/17 at 5:51pm
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even ebay G6s are over 4k still.. but that doesn't matter. The 2017 units and the way to go unless you want 3d. IR is minor but still there TVs. They go away real quickly. 55"? you are a crazy person smile.gif
What is your job that you are working on that?

$1800 used on Amazon, both the 65" E6 and G6.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-SIGNATURE-OLED65G6P-65-Inch/dp/B019O5F7TK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492735841&sr=8-2&keywords=65%22+G6
https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-OLED65E6P-65-Inch-Ultra/dp/B019O5F86W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492735788&sr=8-1&keywords=65%22+G6

There were a few for $1500 last week, guess they sold.
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used? who cares. who the hell would spend $1000s on a used TV. And it is one guy that just added himself to aamzon a few days ago.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but you are just being silly now.
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used? who cares. who the hell would spend $1000s on a used TV.

Well I did say used in my first post, and you quoted back new prices on ebay? redface.gif

No one is buying a new G6 for 4K when the 2017 OLEDs are the same price.
Edited by Murlocke - 4/20/17 at 5:59pm
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