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- ABSL is terrible on LG OLED, maximizing a window results in a dim picture versus keeping windows small. The dell doesn't seem to suffer from this at all.

Do you mean plain-old ABL? Because ABSL can be disabled via the service menu as it's really only a power-saving feature.

But for normal ABL, it's important to note that the 2017 models are considerably better (rtings found their C7 to be 57% brighter than the E6 with an SDR sustained 50% window), so it'd be more accurate to say that ABL is terrible on 2016 LG OLEDs.
 
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I measured and I actually sit 6 feet from my 65", at 4" I agree it looks pretty bad and I can make out a screen door effect. The 65" is 46% bigger than a 55" though. I won't argue that the PPI on the desktop leaves much to be desired when using a TV, but I don't spend much time on the desktop. I'm usually playing games, and watching movies or TV shows. If you are editing, coding, or spend a lot of time on the desktop, then I will 100% agree that a monitor is superior for that.

I wouldn't say using an LG OLED TV as a monitor ridiculous. Like I said, 2 RL friends of mine have copied my setup and abandoned monitors completely. OLED is just that good. Both are completely happy, but they also have a mixture of about 10% desktop usage, 40% gaming, and 50% movie/TV show watching. If you use the desktop the majority of the time, a monitor is probably best.

By the way, I saw the screen door effect on my 55" 1080p OLED with ease, and when I first got my 65" 4K OLED I could see it with certain angles of my glasses. My friend with perfect 20/20 vision claimed he couldn't see it, and I ended up getting a new prescription. It fixed it completely. I've read about it over on AVS, and apparently some glasses do not like LG OLED's coating and can produce a "screen door" like effect. Do you happen to wear glasses?

While I love my 55" OLED, it definitely borders on ridiculous, and I can't imagine using a 65" TV as a monitor. I would love a 21:9 configuration that is 5K pixels wide, has the same length as my 55", but is shorter.
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Do you mean plain-old ABL? Because ABSL can be disabled via the service menu as it's really only a power-saving feature.

But for normal ABL, it's important to note that the 2017 models are considerably better (rtings found their C7 to be 57% brighter than the E6 with an SDR sustained 50% window), so it'd be more accurate to say that ABL is terrible on 2016 LG OLEDs.

Do they make any of the 2017 models curved? I really love the curve on my C6, I never realized I cared for the curve until I just tried this 30 Dell...with the Dell I was missing the curve!

Any reasonable price for the C7's? I looked on Amazon and they are in the 3k range uugghhhh
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Do they make any of the 2017 models curved? I really love the curve on my C6, I never realized I cared for the curve until I just tried this 30 Dell...with the Dell I was missing the curve!

Any reasonable price for the C7's? I looked on Amazon and they are in the 3k range uugghhhh

No curve, no 3D. The C6 is king, IMO.
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Do they make any of the 2017 models curved?
Nope - most high-end AV enthusiasts hate curved, so I'm no surprised it was dropped.

Maybe once LG gets OLED into PC monitor sizes, then they'll re-introduce curved.
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Any reasonable price for the C7's?
They're basically same price as the Dell OLED monitor right now. Nevertheless, some deals can be found - keep tabs on this AVS forum section:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/322-oled-technology-great-found-deals/

Also many AVSers recommend buying from Cleveland AV for a reputable seller with pricing lower than the likes of Amazon and such.
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Here is the Dell 30 OLED infront of my LG 55C6 OLED...... this photo does not do the drastic difference in picture quality reproduction between the two displays any justice..... You can see the Dell is throwing alot of green (exactly what Murloch was talkin about)......however, in person the difference is WAAAAY Worse! In person the dell screen is alot greener (dingier) uuggghhh... I have played around with color settings, but the Forced Strobing really kills this things color reproduction. Is there anyway to turn strobing COMPLETELY OFF????

upload a gifcertificity.com

So I wasn't completely crazy after all? I'm definitely not some troll and gave my honest impressions on the monitor and kinda got reamed for it... but your seeing the same things. I don't think this monitor is going to do well, and that's a bummer because it could be the first OLED impression for many people.
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While I love my 55" OLED, it definitely borders on ridiculous, and I can't imagine using a 65" TV as a monitor. I would love a 21:9 configuration that is 5K pixels wide, has the same length as my 55", but is shorter.

One of my friends uses a 55" EF9500 as a monitor, and honestly it doesn't feel much different than the 65". He sits about 1 foot closer is all, and the PPI on the desktop is slightly better. Unless you also watch content from a sofa like me, I would definitely go with a 55" for comp use though.

Height is definitely the biggest problem with using the 65" as a monitor. You gotta mount it low, so your head centers in the center of it. If it's on the same desk as your keyboard/mouse it's not going to be a fun time.
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Do you mean plain-old ABL? Because ABSL can be disabled via the service menu as it's really only a power-saving feature.

But for normal ABL, it's important to note that the 2017 models are considerably better (rtings found their C7 to be 57% brighter than the E6 with an SDR sustained 50% window), so it'd be more accurate to say that ABL is terrible on 2016 LG OLEDs.

You are right, I got the terms mixed up. I've disabled ABSL in the service menu, the dell has far less ABL than LG OLED. It's basically non-existent on the monitor even at max brightness.
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So I was completely crazy after all? I'm definitely not some troll and gave my honest impressions on the monitor and kinda got reamed for it... but your seeing the same things.

I don't think this monitor is going to do well, and that's a bummer because it could be the first OLED impression for many people.

Lol well to be fair you were running HDMI like 600 feet away from your pc tongue.gif and sometimes these displays can get very particular with HDMI, displayport and cable lengths.

Dell should have made this thing MST 120hz native, if they did that it would have been incredible. Since they did not do that, the very least they could have done is to give the option to disable strobing, that would have opened up the colors...ULMB always causes a dark dingy effect to a picture quality, in this Dells case its one of the best ULMB displays I have ever seen, however it sucks the WOW POP factor out of OLED.

I'm on with support now, getting a return label.
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Lol well to be fair you were running HDMI like 600 feet away from your pc tongue.gif and sometimes these displays can get very particular with HDMI, displayport and cable lengths.

Dell should have made this thing MST 120hz native, if they did that it would have been incredible. Since they did not do that, the very least they could have done is to give the option to disable strobing, that would have opened up the colors...ULMB always causes a dark dingy effect to a picture quality, in this Dells case its one of the best ULMB displays I have ever seen, however it sucks the WOW POP factor out of OLED.

I'm on with support now, getting a return label.

$300 60ft fiber optics HDMI cable that is capable of 4K60hz up to something like 1000 feet. I had all sorts of issues with active and passive copper based HDMI cables that couldn't achieve this, so I know all too well about those issues. tongue.gif

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I think the best OLED "monitor" right now would be the 55" LG C7, it's got the same input lag (21ms) and sample and hold motion so no ULMB messing colors up. The Sony A1E has the same panel as the C7, but has superior processing and motion handling which takes the input lag up to about 31ms. The Sony is a lot more expensive, but would be better for motion at the cost of some input lag.

I think those 2 displays would be the best OLED choices for 2017. Just note that 2017 OLEDs have completely dropped curved and 3D support. I think if someone wants an actual OLED monitor, it might be best to just wait some more.
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$300 60ft fiber optics HDMI cable that is capable of 4K60hz up to something like 1000 feet. I had all sorts of issues with active and passive copper based HDMI cables that couldn't achieve this, so I know all too well about those issues. tongue.gif

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I think the best OLED "monitor" right now would be the 55" LG C7, it's got the same input lag (21ms) and sample and hold motion so no ULMB messing colors up. The Sony A1E has the same panel as the C7, but has superior processing and motion handling which takes the input lag up to about 31ms. The Sony is a lot more expensive, but would be better for motion at the cost of some input lag.

I think those 2 displays would be the best OLED choices for 2017. Just note that 2017 OLEDs have completely dropped curved and 3D.

Yea, I am seriously considering the C7 now as that 21ms means I could run Vsync and bring things up to about 30-35ms which is very playable for me. Right now when I run Vsync on the C6 its a tad to laggy for my taste. I tried the DELL 30 with vsync & FPS capped @ 60hz and it was very, very playable for me in BF1....so I am tempted at the C7.....perhaps I will wait it out and see......$3,000 for a C7 is a hard pill to swallow considering I paid $1,800 for my first C6 and $1,399 for my second!

Also, I am one of the few people on the planet that likes curved displays for personal computing.

Dell support was pretty crappy about returning this display....they kept offering me $$$ to keep it lol. First they offered $65, then they offered $130....I had to tell them to stop offering me money...freaking $3,000 display with a HUGE Engineering problem....$130 aint gonna cut it.

Sigh, if they would have MST dual displayports 120hz native support I would have paid 5 grand for this thing...instead its already packed back up and ready to go mad.gif
Edited by l88bastar - 4/21/17 at 3:58pm
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Some talking about over-saturated colors, then others talking about muted colors? That makes no sense.

Strobing an OLED doesn't change the image quality like it does on early Lightboost monitors. That was strictly for reasons peculiar to its implementation with LCDs.
Edited by CallsignVega - 4/21/17 at 4:16pm
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Corsair AX1500i 1500W Titanium Razer Mamba TE Denon AVR-X7200WA Elac BS 312 
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Sennheiser HD-700 Headphones Velodyne MiniVee Subwoofer Buttkicker LFE Razer Orbweaver Stealth Chroma 
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