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That's not your monitor in the picture though. Right? That source image is greenish. Not as deep blue like shown in the pic. That image shows nearly the blue level of the straight Win 10 Hero wallpaper. If you put up the Hero wallpaper your accent color will certainly be blue. This has nothing to do with the monitor. This is windows pulling color from the source image. If the source image were THAT blue. Your accent color would be blue. I can tell this is fact on a 10 year old TN panel, and on IPS and it is the same. It leans greenish.

This doesn't change the rest of what you said about your monitor. It's just that simply put In THAT image, the Dells appear are more accurate to the source material. My Monitor shows that image as greenish, yet my colors on this forum are not greenish. They are the blue they are supposed to be. Your issue is apparently separate.

Agree to disagree, that image is not suppose to be teal. See Vega's picture, only his TN panel produces it as teal:
http://cdn.overclock.net/3/3f/3f5ba0fb_20170421_201107_resized_1.jpeg

Yes there is a slight green push in the image (l88bastar's TV seems to push a bit of blue compared to my calibrated E6), but it's not suppose to be as green as the monitor is displaying it.

EDIT: We're also comparing pictures of monitors that are viewed through another monitor. It's impossible to know how those actually look in person.
Edited by Murlocke - 4/21/17 at 6:58pm
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post #432 of 627
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This makes me think something is definitely going on, or perhaps you are use to over saturated colors in games.

Witcher was the first game I tested, and even on Standard I felt the colors were way too vivid compared to my E6 OLED. At night, everything seemed so green because of it. The monitor was definitely running in a "wide gamut" which I find annoying, especially for movies. Setting the monitor to Rec709, which I calibrate all my displays too, resulted in a very dim picture even at 100 brightness. Which really doesn't make sense, why would color space change overall brightness?
I did leave out my history which is Samsung TVs and monitors everywhere in the house. I tend to like saturated colors that Samsung tends to have. I've seen Sony TVs with more natural looking colors but I prefer the saturated look of some of the Samsungs. And the Multimedia present may not amount to anything. But on a note about brightness the Movie present lowers the brightness of videos right? It appears to dim, if that's the right term, some videos. Or maybe it depends on the type of movie/video when it comes to Movie preset.
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

Agree to disagree, that image is not suppose to be teal. See Vega's picture, only his TN panel produces it as teal:
http://cdn.overclock.net/3/3f/3f5ba0fb_20170421_201107_resized_1.jpeg

Yes there is a slight green push in the image (l88bastar's TV seems to push a bit of blue compared to my calibrated E6), but it's not suppose to be as green as the monitor is displaying it.

EDIT: We're also comparing pictures of monitors that are viewed through another monitor. It's impossible to know how those actually look in person.

Its my camera, the image is not actually that blue on my C6...I took that photo with my S7....now if I use my Sony 6000 + E16-70 lens I would probably get a more accurate result.
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That's not your monitor in the picture though. Right? That source image is greenish. Not as deep blue like shown in the pic. That image shows nearly the blue level of the straight Win 10 Hero wallpaper. If you put up the Hero wallpaper your accent color will certainly be blue. This has nothing to do with the monitor. This is windows pulling color from the source image. If the source image were THAT blue. Your accent color would be blue. I can tell this is fact on a 10 year old TN panel, and on IPS and it is the same. It leans greenish.

This doesn't change the rest of what you said about your monitor. It's just that simply put In THAT image, the Dells appear are more accurate to the source material. My Monitor shows that image as greenish, yet my colors on this forum are not greenish. They are the blue they are supposed to be. Your issue is apparently separate.

No that picture was to showcase the difference between both displays. The "Tinge" of the Dell. Its the common tinge brought upon by ULMB. Anybody that has used a FG2421 with and without turbo mode on will know what I am talking about.
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Yeah. I was replying to your post and your image in particular. Vegas pic looks more accurate.
As far the the colors of the source image. This is what i'm talking about. This is not a photo, but a screen cap.

Edited by KGPrime - 4/21/17 at 7:44pm
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Yeah. I was replying to your post and your image in particular. Vegas pic looks more accurate.

Yep, my problem with the Dell is the ULMB on all the time. That is a no go for me. Also, its a matter of personal preference, I put it next to my C6 and it was not even a hard decision on which I preferred.

They used MST to achieve 5k & 8k, why not use it to achieve 120hz 4k? Especially when they went out on a limb to force strobing? I could take the ULMB being on all the time if it was 120hz matching the 120hz strobe.
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Yeah, this is why I waited on people to test it.

I'll do the ULMB thing IF the display is flickering extremely fast (I mean, preferably several hundred times a second,) but I would want a way to turn if off completely for sample and hold for regular tasks such as the desktop (yeah, I don't care if the UI burns in slightly, a $3,500 OLED panel isn't worth giving me a migraine.)

It would be funny if this thing actually does have DP 1.3 on it and it just hasn't been turned on in the firmware yet - 120hz in the future. (Just a firmware update to enable it - wishful thinking.)
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Remember though the original prototype ONLY had Thunderbolt 3 with DP 1.3 tunneling. They completely redesigned the electronics/inputs in the monitor.
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I am going all in, not to be a dick or anything but in the interest of fact. Image from frame buffer, color picked in photoshop. My photoshop, web browser, image viewers all use the same color and gamma profile and are consistent. My nose is in a color picker A lot, sometimes daily.











Barring even that, here is the source image itself pulled from Windows


and uploaded and profiled, no screen cap, no camera, no calibration or opinion to get in the way.


http://www.coolphptools.com/color_extract#demo
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I don't see the need to play victim. We're all 'videophiles' here...aiming for the most accurate and/or pleasing image qualities.

I haven't purchased this display. I don't work for Dell. I don't have Dell stocks. Sure I have a few Dell products, but many of them did not come defect-free and required RMA

I have openly welcomed discussion for and against this monitor.

Some of your arguments just raise eyebrows because they're either not very objective and/or lacks logic.

One of your regurgitated point is, in your opinion, 6 months build date = old stock, therefore the theory is that Dell is just liquidating stock.

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Perhaps enlighten us. Does OLED panels sitting around for a few months longer equate to subpar quality? Is there a significant shelf life I don't know about?

Before today, all other 3-4 owners did not notice the green tint. We're not talking about oversaturation, that's a separate issue. You admit your's has dead pixels. It's defective. So could your's possibly be an outlier?

just because they can't meet the original spec of 120Hz (remember the original specs was suggested to be $5000?) or doesn't mirror your LG television's qualities doesn't automatically mean it's a bad buy for everyone here.

You don't think it's worth $3000. That's fair. Your money. but I don't see the need to reiterate it like a dozen times like it's fact.

Nevermind similar size or PPI, is there another RGB-OLED on the market that's comparable? W-OLED in consumer television cannot be compared to prosumer/professional RGB-OLEDs. Apples and oranges.

You bring up immersion. I appreciate the input but again, it's not objective.

don't worry about this being my first OLED product....I've had them since 2011.

tldr: This monitor is designed for content creation, like all Ultrasharps. It is not meant to be consumption first. If you're looking at input lag before color accuracy, you're probably doing it wrong. If you're doing a side-by-side comparison to a television (nevermind a different sub-pixel foundation), you're probably doing it wrong.

I don't think anyone's against criticisms...but they should be sound.

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Erm? First of all there's only 3 owners in this thread and Zurv has been talking about incorrect and over saturated colors days before I got mine. It doesn't take half a year to receive a panel and assemble a monitor. These have been sitting somewhere for awhile now. I also stated I have my computer in another room, which makes my room dead silent, most people don't do this so you obviously aren't going to hear the monitor fan if you got case fans right next to you.

I shared my experiences and thoughts after seeing the monitor. Sorry for trying to be helpful I guess? Your still welcome to buy the monitor and form your own opinions. If people want to jump on me for criticizing the monitor, then I have no interest in remaining in this thread anymore. I've already boxed my monitor back up and contacted Dell anyway.

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Well something is definitely going on, I wish I could see yours in person to see if there's just a large variance or if there's a bunch of bad batches out there. You also have LG OLED, so if you set the monitor next to it and don't notice huge differences in colors, then something is definitely different with yours.

Maybe you got "old stock", and people now are getting "new stock" or vice versa?
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So I wasn't completely crazy after all? I'm definitely not some troll and gave my honest impressions on the monitor and kinda got reamed for it... but your seeing the same things. I don't think this monitor is going to do well, and that's a bummer because it could be the first OLED impression for many people.

Edited by twitchyzero - 4/21/17 at 11:47pm
     
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W-OLED in consumer television cannot be compared to prosumer/professional RGB-OLEDs

Why not?
 
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