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A few game shots for those interested.. Again, I am not a pro at taking pictures of a monitor. I will need to research it a bit more. Obviously looks way better in person...





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Definitely could not play competitive overwatch with it

What was the limitation? Refresh rate? Input lag? Something else?
 
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Anyone notice the preset you use that works well for games graphics is too dull for 4k videos from YouTube? That's what happening with my Dell 30 Oled. On Standard preset (rgb) Dishonored 2, Witcher 3, Deus Ex MD and X Rebirth look good but 4k videos tend to lack the wow pop factor. Which is a complaint from other owners. So I just want to get that straight from those that like the looks of pc games on the Dell, are you using a different preset for YouTube 4k videos or possibly custom color settings?

Ok I just mentioned custom color. If anyone tries adjusting rgb indivudually along with offset and other such settings, I take it that using the Dell menu is not the way to approach it? We should only be doing that from the pc in tandem with a good calibration system?
Edited by PharmingInStyle - 4/22/17 at 4:18pm
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Anyone notice the preset you use that works well for games graphics is too dull for 4k videos from YouTube?

Are you sure this isn't an issue with how your GPU is handling full vs limited range color?
 
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What was the limitation? Refresh rate? Input lag? Something else?

I have a 240hz monitor(Benq XL2540). I am just so used to it that everything felt wrong-- refresh rate/responsiveness/input lag. I wasn't able to track targets as well, aim was horribly inconsistent, etc. That said, I am sure if I spent time with this and got used to it, that I could eventually do well. There was just a bit of system shock when I loaded it up.
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I have a 240hz monitor(Benq XL2540). I am just so used to it that everything felt wrong-- refresh rate/responsiveness/input lag.

Yeah, for 90+Hz and OLED, your only real choice outside of VR headsets is a 2017 OLED TV.
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Are you really still going on about this?

2 other owners have the same color problems. Clearly my monitor was not a one time case, and I mentioned my dead pixel line could be skewing the PQ when I made my criticisms.

Don't ask me for proof that old stock means dell is getting rid of these monitors. I never claimed it as fact, I stated it was a red flag. You don't need to provide proof when speculating.

WOLED vs RGB OLED has no real PQ benefits. Both technologies produce pretty much the exact same PQ if correctly implemented. Where did you hear one is superior to the other? Infact, every WOLED I have seen has produced better accuracy than the 2 RGB OLEDs I have seen. Every 4K LG WOLED I have owned was able to get every color under 1dE, which is a content creators dream.

If this monitor is indeed made for content creation it should be extremely accurate out of the box. Every single one of them. Already 3 owners (over 50% of the owners in this thread) complained about color accuracy. Tint, oversaturation, doesn't matter. Either way the colors are not accurate on some monitors.

Who's really beating the dead horse here? Your singling out my criticisms again, when other owners are having some of the same problems. I gave my honest impressions for the monitor I had, and never claimed my issues affected all of the monitors. Also, no where did I state this was a bad buy for anyone. In one of the things you quoted, I stated "Your still welcome to buy the monitor and form your own opinions.". You are really putting words in my mouth now.

Honestly, trying to tell me my criticisms aren't "sound" even though you don't even own this monitor is just frustrating. Go buy it, and form your own opinions instead of telling people who actually seen the monitor they are wrong.
How is that even remotely close to RGB OLED vs WOLED. wth.gif

Both these technologies provide the same PQ if correctly implemented, and can be used for any display related tasks. Where are you getting that RGB OLED is superior, or WOLED shouldn't be used for content creation?

you tell others not to put words in your mouth, yet you do the exact same.

I never once said RGB is superior. I just said they're different foundations, thus cannot be directly compared, especially when one is twice the size primarily targeting consumption.

I never made my arguments binary; I did not claim W-OLED is only for consumption and RGB-OLED is only for content creation. But the Dell here is marketed for professionals in CC where the television is geared towards mainly movies and some gaming.

you certainly reiterated the 6 month build date multiple times, so obviously it was bothersome enough for you. but you still have no explained why this is a red flag. It would be nice to clear this up as I'm still puzzled while this is concern.

BTW, I did order this monitor last night after my previous post.
     
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Would this still be true even with native 120Hz input but with sample-and-hold?

I noticed no difference between my E6's motion and this monitor's motion during FPS games at 60FPS. I had them side by side. The fact the C7 can do 1080p 120hz would put it ahead of this monitor when motion clarity is more important than resolution in my opinion. Native 120hz with 0.1 pixel response could be the best motion we've ever seen in a non-CRT display. If this monitor is closer to 30ms input lag (makes sense cause I couldn't tell a difference versus my 35ms input lag E6), the C7 is reviewed by multiple sources to be ~21ms. The 55" is also $3000 versus $3500, unless Dell gives you a deal. The C7 seems hard to beat.
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I never once said RGB is superior. I just said they're different foundations, thus cannot be directly compared, especially when one is twice the size primarily targeting consumption.

I never made my arguments binary; I did not claim W-OLED is only for consumption and RGB-OLED is only for content creation. But the Dell here is marketed for professionals in CC where the television is geared towards mainly movies and some gaming.
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W-OLED in consumer television cannot be compared to prosumer/professional RGB-OLEDs.

That's not how it comes across when you say things like "WOLED in a consumer TV" and "prosumer/professional RGB OLED". You were clearly implying the RGB OLED technology, at least in this monitor, would be superior to LG's WOLED. Absolutely not true at all. The fact its a "professional" display vs a "consumer" display means nothing, it's still fair game to compare displays with other displays. Both consumer and professional displays can be good at all content, while a workstation GPUs are not great for gaming. Your GPU comparison was not accurate.

Either way, no point in debating this with you further. Hope you like the monitor but it won't change my opinion about it. At the end of the day, all that matters is what we prefer not what others prefer.
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Overall quite positive, but a bit of a mixed bag for me.. will definitely need the full evaluation time with it to see if it meets my needs. Games looked great on it.. Definitely could not play competitive overwatch with it, though it looked awesome. Additionally sampled Virginia, RE7, Mass Effect Andromeda, and Dishonored 2 and all looked stunning. My main concern is color accuracy-- if I can't accurately profile the screen then it kinda defeats the purpose of using it a photography workflow. My initial thinking on wanting the screen was that(assuming image fidelity) perfects blacks would be the ultimate way to edit. I also often stream and setup gets cumbersome using my oled tv and thought just using an oled monitor would certainly be better for streaming purposes.

Ultimately it may come down to the fact that I just know version 2 of this is going to be the one I want and at 3500 it's a bit pricey to buy it twice.

What monitor settings were you using in the image you posted comparing the dell with the hp?

Could you please explain why you couldn't play overwatch on it in detail? Is it the 60Hz or another reason?
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Could you please explain why you couldn't play overwatch on it in detail? Is it the 60Hz or another reason?

It felt like the difference between playing on a finely tuned competitive, high refresh rate monitor and playing on your tv in game mode. Yes, I could move and make good decisions. It looked phenomenal. It just wasn't snappy and as responsive as it needed to be for a twitch shooter. The difference between 240hz refresh and 60hz refresh is VERY noticeable. Not to mention, the input lag felt much higher. I'd worked my way up to Masters and there is just no way I'd feel confident doing competitive match-ups. Felt a bit embarrassed doing quick play~

I've loaded up a bunch of games and had no problems in any of them, but for whatever reason in Overwatch motion just looked very odd. I assume it's the double strobing effect. I also assume it seemed off to me more because I've spent so much time in Overwatch and if something is suddenly different it's really going to stand out.
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