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Yeah, let's deflect to another company, you're essentially saying to but X company does it too!

What is AMD offering respective owners to upgrade for the 580? Let me ask you this question.

The answer is nothing.


Anyway, if you really want my opinion on it, i refuse to buy anything from both partly because of this issue, and it's why i switched over to AMD from intel given the substantial improvements over my current CPU as well as choosing a 390 as a stand in card over any competing Nvidia GPUs because of bad experiences with Nvidia's GPUs failing as well.

I am not deflecting or saying its okay. I am merely pointing out all the tech companies do this. Its a marketing strategy for various reasons. Your looking at it from your own perspective and apllying that to everyone. Case in point, AIO on gpu i want this myself, you dont. You were in vega threads raising pitchforks about AIO. I dont go to titan threads yelling about it should have com with an AIO. I think this is where we disconnect, but now i see why in your later posts here. Your not a hands on enthusiasts. The thing is you should get into hands on so you arent asking for specifics stock but can make it what you want on your own.

I could argue kabylake offers nothing over kabylake, or titanx 2016 vs titanx2017. Wether its 0%or 10% performance, these people are unlikely to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars for a few features and tiny perf gap. These refreshes are designed for people who are looking to upgrade from much older stuff.
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People should take into account that these videocards are basically unannounced GPUs. Just a revision.
AMD has never said anything (or said very little) about the RX5 series. They are not trying to sell these as the next big thing.
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I am not deflecting or saying its okay. I am merely pointing out all the tech companies do this. Its a marketing strategy for various reasons. Your looking at it from your own perspective and apllying that to everyone. Case in point, AIO on gpu i want this myself, you dont. You were in vega threads raising pitchforks about AIO. I dont go to titan threads yelling about it should have com with an AIO. I think this is where we disconnect, but now i see why in your later posts here. Your not a hands on enthusiasts. The thing is you should get into hands on so you arent asking for specifics stock but can make it what you want on your own.

I could argue kabylake offers nothing over kabylake, or titanx 2016 vs titanx2017. Wether its 0%or 10% performance, these people are unlikely to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars for a few features and tiny perf gap. These refreshes are designed for people who are looking to upgrade from much older stuff.

Even for people that did not have in 2016 for RX 480 and saved and now they get something better. Yeah sure you could get a bigger upgrade for 1 year wait but GPU architecture updates take much longer now.
Also I too want a AIO in a GPU which can benefit from it so 250W+. I would also like a GPU with no cooler at all for those that put WB.
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Different types of memory. HBM doesn't back up like GDDR5. thus doesn't need as much capacity.

The best way I saw it mentioned was to think of it like 2 funnels. One (GDDR5) with a large reservoir and a smaller diameter neck and the other (HBM) with a smaller capacity reservoir, but a larger diameter neck. When you pour in the same amount of liquid, the HBM funnel doesn't back up into the reservoir like the GDDR5 would. Thus the GDDR5 would need a larger capacity for the same amount of water.
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AMD is most likely releasing their version of Nvidia's Fastsync with the launch of these new cards. Turbo Vsync is already mentioned in the current drivers.

Turbo Vsync: Enables tear-free frame rates above the refresh rate of your display. Dynamically configures V-sync on/off based on frame rate






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It wouldn't be a win for AMD or people that want an AMD flagship card to buy.

AMD can make more money if they make the whole card, it costs more to make a bunch of different designs to compete with partners.

The FuryX AIO, after they sorted out the initial pump issue, is better for almost everyone than any multifan or blower design and is a worthy cooling solution for the best chip AMD can put out. It is certainly better for more than the blower on Nvidias flagship cards. If I buy a card with Radeon all down the side, I will think higher of that brand if it has clearly superior cooling and pcb, like the FuryX has. And the superior housing for the gpu makes the diminishing performance returns per price for the full flagship chip much more appealing.

And I don't have any problem paying AMD a higher margin for their flagship just like so many have no problem with Nvidia. And I will pay more for awesome. If you don't want to buy the flagship, you are not entitled to flagship performance.

This is where i disagree. The 1080Ti sold really well with the custom gaming cards they had. A flagship as you said, for cheaper and with custom air and with the option of optional AIO cooling would sell well. i don't see the reason why people who do not want the AIO have to be penalised with less performance if they want a Fury X and have to settle for a Fury instead.

It goes both ways, casual gamers or uninformed people can also see it as AMD, it probably runs so hot it needs an AIO to sufficiently cool it while Titans or NV run butter smooth on custom air.

If 580s can have custom air coolers ,i dont see the reason why they should lock down the AIO option only to Fury X.
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@steadly2004
Different types of memory. HBM doesn't back up like GDDR5. thus doesn't need as much capacity.

The best way I saw it mentioned was to think of it like 2 funnels. One (GDDR5) with a large reservoir and a smaller diameter neck and the other (HBM) with a smaller capacity reservoir, but a larger diameter neck. When you pour in the same amount of liquid, the HBM funnel doesn't back up into the reservoir like the GDDR5 would. Thus the GDDR5 would need a larger capacity for the same amount of water.
That's an interesting way to say it. I am familiar with the wider bus of HBM memory, but thinking about how a game is programmed. You have developers putting in stuff like textures and all that stored in vRam until it's needed. The gddr5 can have an equivalent total throughout fed by the same PCI Express link. Yet it still makes a difference.

Maybe it's the fact that you don't actually need so much ready to go and stored in vRam? Or maybe it's the connection between the Vram and GPU cache that is different between brands. I don't know. I remember someone saying the L2 cache on an Nvidia card (980 maybe?) Was slower than overclocked memory and this reduced possible gains with OC memory. I wonder what the cache on fury is clocked at and what's the throughput? And will VEGA improve further with its "infinity fabric"?
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This is where i disagree.

Half of the posts in this thread are you disagreeing with everyone about just about anything... rolleyes.gif


Everyone has opinions, you just seem to under the impression that your opinions have value biggrin.gif
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This is where i disagree. The 1080Ti sold really well with the custom gaming cards they had. A flagship as you said, for cheaper and with custom air and with the option of optional AIO cooling would sell well. i don't see the reason why people who do not want the AIO have to be penalised with less performance if they want a Fury X and have to settle for a Fury instead.

It goes both ways, casual gamers or uninformed people can also see it as AMD, it probably runs so hot it needs an AIO to sufficiently cool it while Titans or NV run butter smooth on custom air.

If 580s can have custom air coolers ,i dont see the reason why they should lock down the AIO option only to Fury X.

Cause Fury X was like Titan and AiB did not have a right to change it. Fury was like 1080 Ti with AIB coolers. Also if you look at coolers on GTX1080 Ti they are massive. If they put those massive cooler for 290X for example it would have never been called a hot card but they can with Nvidia because they can sell it for higher price and sell bigger cooling as an improvement not a necessity. Fury X can be viewed 2 ways. 1) Necessary to have AIO to keep cool, 2) Good cooling out of the box. If you have space to fir 3-slot giot of GTX1080 Ti, Fury X is not a problem. In my Case I can fit Fury X no problem but GTX1080 Ti custom are too big.
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AMD is most likely releasing their version of Nvidia's Fastsync with the launch of these new cards. Turbo Vsync is already mentioned in the current drivers.

Turbo Vsync: Enables tear-free frame rates above the refresh rate of your display. Dynamically configures V-sync on/off based on frame rate






Ah ha! That would be nice, but only if it's not tied to the 500 series... Does Nvidias Fast-Sync require some fancy GPU hardware?

I still do not see the point of these cards. As an enhusiast from my eyes it makes them look bad. Polaris was kind of a joke anyway. It's not any better than the 390 cards. Not worth the "upgrade" anyway.
People want performance before efficiency. Right? It's been 10 months since Polaris launched and we've been stuck with practically the same performance for 3 1/2 years (Oct 2013 for the r9 290). The only benefit has been better pricing and better efficiency.

I'm not mad, and the performance of a RX 480 has been nearly enough for me, but when the competition is 2x faster...
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