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Are you projecting? Because all you have done is attack anyone with an opposing view...

You are welcome to share where I degraded myself and retorted with personal attacks...

No point to waste my time if you can't understand what you do wrong all the time .

Just by having an opposite opinion doesn't mean that i "attack" anyone.

If you can't handle my opinion not my problem.

And if i remember correctly that guy quote me saying that only the AMD fanboys believe that the 580 is a good choice implying that i am one wink.gif . So saying that you overthinking and you analyze the success of the 580 based on assumptions is an attack i dunno..thumb.gif

Have a good night man maybe tomorrow will be a better day for you redface.gif
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How is 280x good as a midrange card? High power consumption and heat. It's a 7970. How can you recommend people to buy a midrange card that's power hungry. As a mid-range card 280x is not good. As a high-end which is 7970 it ages well and you can justify it being a power-hug but not as a mid-range. Mid-range cards are sweet spot not only for price but also on power consumption and heat output.

Aren't you one of the people calling RX 480 bad?

Er what?

I can't follow your logic.

280x was mid range to high end card and it was awesome for the money. The end.

Because it makes a big difference from 150-160 watt to 190.

Also i didin't know that a card should have a specific power consumption to justify the title mid range.

If only i could get a "mid -range" 1080/70 for the money of 1060 i would recommend it all day long just like i did with the 280x over the 760 and the 770.

Because to you power consumption is not important but to others, like me, it is.

1080 and 1070 are different case, they're​ very efficient card. Unlike your 280x.
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Depends on the game.

It's going to have a significant edge in shader performance and texture fill rate, but a 1500MHz RX580 is still going to fall significantly short of a stock, reference 290X in pixel fill rate, and improved compression isn't going to make up for all of the difference.

Since we know how polaris performs, and the RX 580 is simply a higher clocked part (making it's performance easy to extrapolate), I don't think I'd call the RX 580 a worthy upgrade over a 290X either. It will beat the 290X in most games, but not enough to be a compelling upgrade.

Fair enough, my wording was overly hyperbolic I admit. I should've simply said that a 1500MHz Polaris will be faster than an OC'd 290X in most sccenarios and left it at that. thumb.gif
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390X was not a bad rebrand because it had better cooler than 290X, 8GB which is very helpful at 4K and memory timings where better.

So far as I know the 580's will have a different cooler than the 480's as well and will also have 8GB (which is not better than the 480 but come on, how much more memory do these mid range cards need anyway)...
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I really don't see a 1100mhz core / 1500mhz mem 290x losing at 1440+... and that's only 50mhz faster on the core vs a stock 390x. Regardless, I'm still using this 290x at 4k so a 580 will likely be a downgrade for me if anything.

I need no less than gtx1080 performance.. ideally 1080ti performance or higher at this point. No crossfire or sli for me.

A 1500MHz 580 will indeed be faster than a 1100MHz 290X in most scenarios, including 1440p+. I am actually curious why you think it will do poorly at higher resolutions when the 480 already does very well at high resolutions for its price point? 1080p has been AMD's Achillies heel, not 1440p+....
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 4/16/17 at 7:27pm
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Just by having an opposite opinion doesn't mean that i "attack" anyone.

The irony is that you used US pricing to justify the 580 as a good purchase then when called out on it with US pricing you raged about how said pricing is not available in Europe...

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If you can't handle my opinion not my problem.

Seems we agree on something. biggrin.gif
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No point to waste my time if you can't understand what you do wrong all the time .

Passive aggressive much? At least the sarcasm that I convey is direct and to the point. Welcome to my ignore list thumb.gif
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So far as I know the 580's will have a different cooler than the 480's as well and will also have 8GB (which is not better than the 480 but come on, how much more memory do these mid range cards need anyway)...
A 1500MHz 580 will indeed be faster than a 1100MHz 290X in most scenarios, including 1440p+. I am actually curious why you think it will do poorly at higher resolutions when the 480 already does very well at high resolutions for its price point? 1080p has been AMD's Achillies heel, not 1440p+....


http://www.techspot.com/review/1267-battlefield-1-benchmarks/page3.html

Just as an example of 480's being weaker at high res. Admittedly it's closer at 1440p then I recalled but at 4k there is quite a large gap. 32 min 38 avg on 480 vs 38 min 42 avg of 290x. 390x only a hair above a 290x at 1050 / 1500 vs stock 290x 1000 / 1250. 1100 on a 290x is pretty much a given so doing the math there are still many situations a 580 is going to lose out to it.

For that matter a Fury X is only at 41 min 47 average. The 580 isn't touching it unfortunately. Doesn't leave much room for it to be faster then a 1100mhz 290x.

Realistically you don't need to look any further past this..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1746?vs=1748

I'm not saying the 580 is going to be a crap card, it's just not a card that really even offers an upgrade for someone who is on a card that is 6 months from being 4 years old.... and it likely is a downgrade at higher res and a side grade at best max oc to max oc.

The only thing compelling is 8gb of vram vs my current 4gb. But if I had a 390x it wouldn't even remotely be a thought.
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No point to waste my time if you can't understand what you do wrong all the time .

Just by having an opposite opinion doesn't mean that i "attack" anyone.

If you can't handle my opinion not my problem.

And if i remember correctly that guy quote me saying that only the AMD fanboys believe that the 580 is a good choice implying that i am one wink.gif . So saying that you overthinking and you analyze the success of the 580 based on assumptions is an attack i dunno..thumb.gif

Have a good night man maybe tomorrow will be a better day for you redface.gif

By the way, I didn't directly call you a fanboy. I was simply stating it should be disappointing for anyone that the rx580 is launching with the same initial MSRP as the rx480. When you combine it is a rebrand and it is cheaper for AMD to make, it should be cheaper, like every other rebrand.

Everytime a rebrand has come out, it has been cheaper than it's predecessor and typically better performing too on top of this. With the reduction in production cost, AMD should be passing some of the savings since this isn't a new GPU design from them. This not only earns them more marketshare but maintains their goodwill to the community.

Coming out at the same price is weird and set's a bad precedence for the industry. I don't want the videocard industry to stagnate like the CPU one where releases are just 8 or 9 percent faster than the earlier one and at the same cost.

This coming out at the same price should be disappointing from anyone. It is completely unlike AMD. If you don't see this, there can only be one conclusion.

Short term profit from high initial pricing leaves them wide open to a counter too. If Nvidia does another gtx 970(sans the memory issue) which it can considering how cut down the gtx 1070 is, it will steal all the sales away from AMD. Nvidia has been nearly flawless capitalizing on AMD's mistakes and magnifying them. Having a 250 dollar price tag(akin to the r9 285) leaves AMD wide open from a counter from Nvidia in reviews. AMD needs to realize the initial opinion and impressions for a review set the tone alot on how well received they are in sales. The elephant in the room that these cards are being priced the same as the initial rx480 reviews and the fact that rx480's are still in the market and better priced is going to hurt rx 580 review impressions.

I am basing my opinions on historical trends which has made my predictions pretty accurate as of late.
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Still will be faster though (for the most part) and it is after all only a $250 midrange part not ever intended to be a replacement for the $550 flagship 290X.
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Still will be faster though (for the most part) and it is after all only a $250 midrange part not ever intended to be a replacement for the $550 flagship 290X.

Normally this wouldn't be a problem... if my flagship card wasn't near enough 4 years old and likely to still outperform the new card at the resolution I play (4k). Not knocking the card but the mid range market currently is atrociously boring.
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Still will be faster though (for the most part) and it is after all only a $250 midrange part not ever intended to be a replacement for the $550 flagship 290X.

Well R9 390 was $300 and sold as low as $260 1 year before RX 480. It is impressive what RX 480 can do with its weak speaks. It really just a HD 7870 class of GPU. We need HD 7970 (RX 590 to compete with GTX1080 and 1070) and Vega with GTX1080 Ti aka 290X since it lines up exactly as 290X was GCN2 vs HD 7970 and HD 7870 GN1 in this case Polaris vs V9 architecture.
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