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Not one to write home about given the time span of 2 years. Reducing power consumption should be a given and a standard when it comes to new iterations, same goes for new features. Barely any performance increase is just simply a joke. Like what Tpi said, one just has to overclock his 480, or 390 at best.

The problem is not he 480 lol. The problem is that we never got a replacement card from AMD for 290/290X since 2013. Been with AMD since HD 4850 and enough is enough. Fury was not replacement for R9 290. Even Vega might not be it.
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Not one to write home about given the time span of 2 years. Reducing power consumption should be a given and a standard when it comes to new iterations, same goes for new features. Barely any performance increase is just simply a joke. Like what Tpi said, one just has to overclock his 480, or 390 at best.

If they have a 390 or 480 then like above user stated they aren't the target audience. I don't particularly like this type of re-branding myself either. However it's not AMD only that does these things. There are many examples across multiple brands of this type of marketing.
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If they have a 390 or 480 then like above user stated they aren't the target audience. I don't particularly like this type of re-branding myself either. However it's not AMD only that does these things. There are many examples across multiple brands of this type of marketing.

It the AIB that pressure AMD so they can have new cards to sell. Look at MB that Intel release each year with refreshed chipset so they can sell more and more for no real reason. For example if AIB have a new cooler they do not want just to sell RX 480 with that new cooler. A name change is better for them.
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390 is super power hungry, GCN2. RX 480 has HDMI 2.0, 4K recording.


Not one to write home about given the time span of 2 years. Reducing power consumption should be a given and a standard when it comes to new iterations, same goes for new features. Barely any performance increase is just simply a joke. Like what Tpi said, one just has to overclock his 480, or 390 at best.

Yes, that is true. It's also true that the GTX 1060 is also only getting a bump in VRAM speed. Perhaps AMD should have gone with 9 Gbps GDDR5 VRAM too to make it a more compelling update, although from what I read in one article, only Samsung is making that speed grade and it's still only in the customer sampling phase, so nobody is quite sure what kind of memory modules the 9 Gbps GTX 1060s are going to come with; they could even come with overclocked 8 Gbps chips, which would be unprecedented, as AIBs are usually very conservative when it comes to memory clocks.

So I guess 9 Gbps qualifying chips are hard to come by at this point, maybe that's why AMD didn't go there. What they could have done to spark some interest would be to use 10 Gbps GDDR5X, but they probably don't want to spend the money redesigning the memory controller on this chip at this point.

But yes, this 580 will probably perform like a 390X, at least at 1080p and 1440p, so it's not much of an upgrade in performance since June / July 2015 at that level, where AMD already had two higher performing cards, the Fury and the Fury X.
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The new reference cards looks like sapphire's nitro

 

Sapphire already makes the workstation cards for AMD so why not make the reference consumer cards as well.

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If they have a 390 or 480 then like above user stated they aren't the target audience. I don't particularly like this type of re-branding myself either. However it's not AMD only that does these things. There are many examples across multiple brands of this type of marketing.

hiding behind the "arent the target audience" excuse again, we've heard that so many times with Polaris having no answer to the 1080 rolleyes.gif So whom are the target audience right now? 480's and those with midrange have no incentive to upgrade now that it's just only a rebrand. Then how about those who are rocking a 390 and 480 but want a performance increase?



480 is just a rebrand with all but name over the 390 and now it's the same. Rebrand once and now twice. rolleyes.gif

Rebranding once is fine, but when it's happening too often, twice in 2 years it just starts to become, meh.
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Yes, that is true. It's also true that the GTX 1060 is also only getting a bump in VRAM speed. Perhaps AMD should have gone with 9 Gbps GDDR5 VRAM too to make it a more compelling update, although from what I read in one article, only Samsung is making that speed grade and it's still only in the customer sampling phase, so nobody is quite sure what kind of memory modules the 9 Gbps GTX 1060s are going to come with; they could even come with overclocked 8 Gbps chips, which would be unprecedented, as AIBs are usually very conservative when it comes to memory clocks.

So I guess 9 Gbps qualifying chips are hard to come by at this point, maybe that's why AMD didn't go there. What they could have done to spark some interest would be to use 10 Gbps GDDR5X, but they probably don't want to spend the money redesigning the memory controller on this chip at this point.

But yes, this 580 will probably perform like a 390X, at least at 1080p and 1440p, so it's not much of an upgrade in performance since June / July 2015 at that level, where AMD already had two higher performing cards, the Fury and the Fury X.

I wonder if HBM2 would've helped, since it's pretty much in the production phase now the last i recall. But it is still a niche and probably still too expensive even for Vega itself, given no one is using it outside of AMD.

But overall, yes, it's a disappointing package after 2 years and probably doesn't bode well for Vega as well going by the looks of it.
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hiding behind the "arent the target audience" excuse again, we've heard that so many times with Polaris having no answer to the 1080 rolleyes.gif So whom are the target audience right now? 480's and those with midrange have no incentive to upgrade now that it's just only a rebrand. Then how about those who are rocking a 390 and 480 but want a performance increase?



480 is just a rebrand with all but name over the 390 and now it's the same. Rebrand once and now twice. rolleyes.gif

Rebranding once is fine, but when it's happening too often, twice in 2 years it just starts to become, meh.

Fury X

And that was released almost 2 years ago.

Or do you actually mean "want a performance increase but without going over a certain amount of money"?
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These just need to be cheap for the masses.
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I wonder if HBM2 would've helped, since it's pretty much in the production phase now the last i recall. But it is still a niche and probably still too expensive even for Vega itself, given no one is using it outside of AMD.

But overall, yes, it's a disappointing package after 2 years and probably doesn't bode well for Vega as well going by the looks of it.

Yes, most probably too expensive for the price segment. I'm betting they'll be using HBM2 in the two opposite sides first: high end GPUs where they can recoup the cost more easily and APUs, where even a single stack of HBM2 with 2 GB of VRAM could make RX 460 levels of performance possible on an APU. A single stack is probably doable from a cost / benefit perspective.
 
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