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Fury X

And that was released almost 2 years ago.

Or do you actually mean "want a performance increase but without going over a certain amount of money"?

Yes, so i should buy a 2 year old obsolete by all means GPU that spanks one that's unreleased. Not to mention, i have no place to mount an AIO and going back to 4GB from 8GB? no thanks.
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Or how about those who want and can afford a performance increase and want to support the underdog but have no incentive to do so?
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These just need to be cheap for the masses.


First there has to be an incentive. Cheap alone is not a pull factor in itself unless there is a viable performance increase. There is no incentive for 390 and 480 owners to upgrade. Not even at the rock bottom $200 prices the 580 is rumored to be going for. That's spending $200~ on a sidegrade at best.
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Yes, most probably too expensive for the price segment. I'm betting they'll be using HBM2 in the two opposite sides first: high end GPUs where they can recoup the cost more easily and APUs, where even a single stack of HBM2 with 2 GB of VRAM could make RX 460 levels of performance possible on an APU. A single stack is probably doable from a cost / benefit perspective.

I wonder, even if it's too expensive, would it have helped adoption of HBM and lower cost through "growing market share as GDDR5 did once full production occurred" on a wider scale if they had put HBM for midrange cards? With more cards using HBM, cost should go down by being cheaper to mass produce?


Vega has been confirmed with HBM 2 if im not wrong, so that is one down.
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Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

These just need to be cheap for the masses.


First there has to be an incentive. Cheap alone is not a pull factor in itself unless there is a viable performance increase. There is no incentive for 390 and 480 owners to upgrade. Not even at the rock bottom $200 prices the 580 is rumored to be going for. That's spending $200~ on a sidegrade at best.

Considering that this RX 580 will supposedly be priced a bit lower than the 480, it makes all the sense to pitch it as a decent upgrade over the 380 and 380X, but other than that, yes, 290 and 290X, 390, 390X, Fury, Fury X, and Nano owners don't have anywhere compelling to go with AMD for now.

Vega will hopefully solve that. Hopefully for all the owners of the cards above. That would mean that Vega is a decent upgrade over Fury X and GTX 1070 performance level, at an attractive price.


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I wonder, even if it's too expensive, would it have helped adoption of HBM and lower cost through "growing market share as GDDR5 did once full production occurred" on a wider scale if they had put HBM for midrange cards? With more cards using HBM, cost should go down by being cheaper to mass produce?


Vega has been confirmed with HBM 2 if im not wrong, so that is one down.

It takes time and HBM2 was too expensive to debut with Polaris and the Polaris chip for this card was designed with a GDDR5 memory controller and so were the boards, and as we see now, with a rebrand in mind. The mid-range segment has lower margins, so putting in two memory controllers or redesigning for HBM2 halfway through its lifetime wouldn't be cost effective.
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First there has to be an incentive. Cheap alone is not a pull factor in itself unless there is a viable performance increase. There is no incentive for 390 and 480 owners to upgrade. Not even at the rock bottom $200 prices the 580 is rumored to be going for. That's spending $200~ on a sidegrade at best.

Thats where you are wrong. Cheap is good enough. That is how AMD has been surviving without releasing anything worth having the the 3 years.
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Considering that this RX 580 will supposedly be priced a bit lower than the 480, it makes all the sense to pitch it as a decent upgrade over the 380 and 380X, but other than that, yes, 290 and 290X, 390, 390X, Fury, Fury X, and Nano owners don't have anywhere compelling to go with AMD for now.

Vega will hopefully solve that. Hopefully for all the owners of the cards above. That would mean that Vega is a decent upgrade over Fury X and GTX 1070 performance level, at an attractive price.

Yeah i have my eyes on Vega and was considering the 580 before the slides/performance information on it was leaked, it's rumored to be released after the 580, is it not? I hope it at least matches the 1080Ti, given that it's been late for a year too.

I'm due for an upgrade on the GPU side now that i quelled the CPU itch after switching to Ryzen.
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Thats where you are wrong. Cheap is good enough. That is how AMD has been surviving without releasing anything worth having the the 3 years.

There you go with inane logic again. By your logic, AMD should just stop introducing performance increases in future cards and sell those & current cards they have for as cheap as one can get. Then they'd have better sales, amirite? rolleyes.gif

Even at a rock bottom of $100 price for the $580 you'd be hard pressed to find a 390 or 480 owner willing to sidegrade.

Without tangible improvements in performance they will never get customers at all despite being cheap for the masses.

Customers need an incentive to upgrade and being cheap alone is not good enough.
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Yeah i have my eyes on Vega and was considering the 580 before the slides/performance information on it was leaked, it's rumored to be released after the 580, is it not? I hope it at least matches the 1080Ti, given that it's been late for a year too.

I'm due for an upgrade on the GPU side now that i quelled the CPU itch after switching to Ryzen.

Still no exact date for release as far as I'm aware, but yes, definitely after the RX 580 and all the other RX 500 series releases. Let's hope it's fast.

Then again AMD has every price segment to fill above $200. Nvidia set the pricing bar with the 1080 Ti, so it'll be interesting to see what AMD does, especially as at this point the market is probably only moving if it's really compelling.

Many people are still holding to their previous gen cards as they still have good enough performance for their uses, those are the customers that AMD has to convince with a compelling proposition in mid-2017; the rest moved on earlier to the 1070, 1080 and 1080 Ti, and if AMD doesn't convince the holdouts, they may also move from their current AMD or Nvidia card to a new Nvidia one eventually when the time comes.
 
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There you go with inane logic again. By your logic, AMD should just stop introducing performance increases in future cards and sell those & current cards they have for as cheap as one can get. Then they'd have better sales, amirite? rolleyes.gif

Even at a rock bottom of $100 price for the $580 you'd be hard pressed to find a 390 or 480 owner willing to sidegrade.

Without tangible improvements in performance they will never get customers at all despite being cheap for the masses.

Customers need an incentive to upgrade and being cheap alone is not good enough.

I am curious since your so hard on this, what do you think about intels cpu releases? Lets say skylake vs kabylake? What about Titanx pascal vs full die titanx pascal.......

What are they offering the respective owners to upgrade?
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I am curious since your so hard on this, what do you think about intels cpu releases? Lets say skylake vs kabylake? What about Titanx pascal vs full die titanx pascal.......

What are they offering the respective owners to upgrade?

Yeah, let's deflect to another company, you're essentially saying to but X company does it too!

What is AMD offering respective owners to upgrade for the 580? Let me ask you this question.

The answer is nothing.


Anyway, if you really want my opinion on it, i refuse to buy anything from both partly because of this issue, and it's why i switched over to AMD from intel given the substantial improvements over my current CPU as well as choosing a 390 as a stand in card over any competing Nvidia GPUs because of bad experiences with Nvidia's GPUs failing as well.
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