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We knew Microsoft was planning to block installation of Windows 7 and 8.1 updates on systems with Intel 7th Generation Core processors (more memorably known as Kaby Lake) and AMD Ryzen systems; we just weren't sure when. Now, the answer appears to be "this month." Users of new processors running old versions of Windows are reporting that their updates are being blocked. The block means that systems using these processors are no longer receiving security updates.

Source.

Update: Well, it seems that the situation is much worse than I thought. The article below says that standalone updates are also failing with an error message, so we can't even trust what Microsoft writes anymore. It's not only when a "PC tries to scan or download updates through Windows Update" (see screenshot below); .msu standalone files downloaded manually from their Catalog site won't install either. Thanks to Rocozaur for bringing up the article:

http://winaero.com/blog/new-cpu-lock-windows-restrictive/
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This change is even more restrictive with April 2017 updates than we could imagine. Every time you start Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on PCs with the above mentioned CPUs, you'll see an "Unsupported Hardware" nag after a few minutes!

If you try to install an update manually using the standalone update installer, the operating system will terminate the update process! The following message box will appear:
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The worst thing about this change is that even your virtual machines running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 will be affected. If a guest Windows 7 or 8.1 OS is running in a VirtualBox-powered virtual machine running on any Windows host OS, the CPU identifiers of the host PC hardware get passed on to the guest VM, so updates will be blocked in the Virtual Machine as well! This makes it impossible to use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine with Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs.



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I guess I'll have to add a bit of information myself, since the author forgot to put the article in context and provide useful information.

TL;DR: "receiving updates on old Windows" ≠ installing updates on old Windows

If we read what Microsoft says (see screenshot below), updates will only be blocked when scanning or downloading updates through Windows Update, meaning that anyone on Kaby Lake or Ryzen can go to the Update Catalog site and download the security only updates for Windows, IE 11 and .net Framework and they will install just fine.

(Edit: Or you can use a tool called WSUS Offline Updater for everything. xioros goes into detail in posts #3 and #5.)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4015546




They did add the CPU check routine to the latest security only update - which is unprecedented-, as you can also see above, but that is most probably to close the loophole where if someone were to, say, download and install the monthly security only updates from the Catalog site for a few months and then one day decided to install the then current rollup from Windows Update, it would work, because the CPU check wouldn't be in place.



You can keep track of what is being released here:

Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 update history

Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 update history


And then follow the Catalog link that they provide in each entry. Example below from the latest security only update for Windows 7:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4015546
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How to get this update

To get the stand-alone package for this update, go to the Microsoft Update Catalog website.


If you need IE 11 to be fully updated, they don't provide a direct link, but in the security only update for Windows (see above) they do mention what is the IE 11 KB cumulative update, so just search for that in the Catalog site.

You'll have to search manually for .net Framework updates in the Catalog in case you need them.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/14/17 at 2:10pm
 
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What a joke. lol

I actually was on Windows 8.1 ( I like it, very minimalistic, no bloatware, smooth as butter ) I upgraded to Windows 10 because of this crap. stupid kaby lake in my laptop. I actually did a clean install yesterday... Sling TV, Facebook, and a few other junk came pre-installed with my Win 10... sigh... simple uninstall but why is this crap even on my OS... it blows my mind what M$ is doing... I really hope a new leader emerges someday, maybe a new company altogether not even Linux, STEAMOS or something gets better, heh, its all a joke.

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Or, instead of using the catalog: do it automated with WSUS Offline Updater

Been using it for years to install builts for clients. Must have for anyone who reinstalls regularly.

/thread: *internal cheering* - seems like I'll be able to keep using the last trusted Microsoft OS on my next build rolleyes.gif
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Or, instead of using the catalog: do it automated with WSUS Offline Updater

Been using it for years to install builts for clients. Must have for anyone who reinstalls regularly.

/thread: *internal cheering* - seems like I'll be able to keep using the last trusted Microsoft OS on my next build rolleyes.gif

Never heard of this. How does it work? I install win 8.1, then I download and install this before running any first updates?
    
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Or, instead of using the catalog: do it automated with WSUS Offline Updater

Been using it for years to install builts for clients. Must have for anyone who reinstalls regularly.

/thread: *internal cheering* - seems like I'll be able to keep using the last trusted Microsoft OS on my next build rolleyes.gif

Never heard of this. How does it work? I install win 8.1, then I download and install this before running any first updates?

It's a stand-alone, portable utility that's able to download all your updated straight from Micro$oft and keep them as catalog files in it's folder. First, you run to tool on a system that has an internet connection and select the OS'es (and office suites) you will use it for. After you've done a clean install, you run the updater (from an other HDD, external drive or NAS) and it automatically installs all updates for your OS.

I personally have it on my NAS and use it for every system I have to update (paired with snappy driver installer, an open-source automated driver installer that's not crap-ware). Makes installing systems a total breeze. Probably my most used/loved tool. thumb.gif

Oh, a heads up if you're using it for Windows 7: I highly recommend installing a couple of packages manually first, to prevent the very, very, very slow first updates (thx microsoft!). These packages are:
KB3020369
KB3172605
KB3125574

And then run this code (though a bat file):
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@echo off
:: Created by: Shawn Brink
:: http://www.sevenforums.com
:: Tutorial: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/91738-windows-update-reset.html


set w=0
:wuauserv
set /a w=%w%+1
if %w% equ 3 (
   goto end
) 
net stop wuauserv
echo Checking the wuauserv service status.
sc query wuauserv | findstr /I /C:"STOPPED" 
if not %errorlevel%==0 ( 
    goto wuauserv 
)
goto Reset

:end
cls
echo.
echo Failed to reset Windows Update history due to wuauserv service failing to stop.
echo.
pause
goto Start

:Reset 
if exist "%SYSTEMROOT%\SoftwareDistribution.bak" rmdir /s /q "%SYSTEMROOT%\SoftwareDistribution.bak"
if exist "%SYSTEMROOT%\SoftwareDistribution" ( 
    attrib -r -s -h /s /d "%SYSTEMROOT%\SoftwareDistribution" 
    ren "%SYSTEMROOT%\SoftwareDistribution" SoftwareDistribution.bak 
) 

if exist "%SYSTEMROOT%\WindowsUpdate.log.bak" del /s /q /f "%SYSTEMROOT%\WindowsUpdate.log.bak" 
if exist "%SYSTEMROOT%\WindowsUpdate.log" ( 
    attrib -r -s -h /s /d "%SYSTEMROOT%\WindowsUpdate.log" 
    ren "%SYSTEMROOT%\WindowsUpdate.log" WindowsUpdate.log.bak 
) 
 
regsvr32 /s wuaueng.dll 
regsvr32 /s wuaueng1.dll 
regsvr32 /s atl.dll 
regsvr32 /s wups.dll 
regsvr32 /s wups2.dll 
regsvr32 /s wuweb.dll 
regsvr32 /s wucltui.dll 

:Start
net start wuauserv


And a bit off topic, but also usefull when installing/updating systems: install/update programs automatically without the bloatware with Ninite
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I really hope a new leader emerges someday, maybe a new company altogether not even Linux, STEAMOS or something gets better

Me too. But sometimes it feels like the internet is just built around the Window's platform entirely. Makes you wonder how any OS other than Microshaft's could manage to top it.
 
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Me too. But sometimes it feels like the internet is just built around the Window's platform entirely. Makes you wonder how any OS other than Microshaft's could manage to top it.

It would have to be a rogue company (private country with no extradition treaty with any other country) anon employees, steal the entire Directx coding, basically just use a shell of Windows itself only for gaming, lol

That is my guess. Not sure if its even possible as I am not a coder, but yeah.
    
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Don't need DirectX, the main issue is running Win apps in general on non Win OS. Most apps are written with a lot of crap in them that are OS specific and unportable. So the OS would have to support a lot of proprietary Win crap no one not even M$ sometimes knows anymore (they fired those people or they retired etc. or it's just so damn long time already).

Software devs would have to start coding right instead of Win only and hacking it for speed of writing instead of speed of portability and execution. But I don't blame them, the hours are crazy and traditional management even worse, impossible deadlines force people to write fast/quantity instead of quality.
Edited by JackCY - 4/13/17 at 1:59pm
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That's M$ way to force people to use Win10, even when older Win7/8.1 versions works just fine.
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That's M$ way to force people to use Win10, even when older Win7/8.1 versions works just fine.

 

It's Microsoft's way of telling you to use current software to go with your current hardware.

   
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