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Looks like this is one update I get to go in and manually block on our WSUS.

I haven't looked into it enough buy any means, but I do find it funny they are doing this while you can still buy business machines with Windows 7 as a downgrade from Windows 10. I wonder how this will affect those machines on a long term basis.

Oh well.
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It would have to be a rogue company (private country with no extradition treaty with any other country) anon employees, steal the entire Directx coding, basically just use a shell of Windows itself only for gaming, lol

That is my guess. Not sure if its even possible as I am not a coder, but yeah.

While yours does sound a bit crazy, it is very true in a sense. Not for infringement but actually for independence. The reach of these companies are massive, they will join up or acquire a firm in 'good-will' and then sabotage every part of it.
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It would have to be a rogue company (private country with no extradition treaty with any other country) anon employees, steal the entire Directx coding, basically just use a shell of Windows itself only for gaming, lol

That is my guess. Not sure if its even possible as I am not a coder, but yeah.

While yours does sound a bit crazy, it is very true in a sense. Not for infringement but actually for independence. The reach of these companies are massive, they will join up or acquire a firm in 'good-will' and then sabotage every part of it.

Embrace, extend and extinguish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish

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Unless the VM has passthrough technology there is no way you can play games this way.

Yes, that's what I meant. You need (or at least heavily benefit from) a CPU with VT-d support, right? The first mainstream K Intel CPU to have it enabled is the 4790K, but the other non-K models all the way back to SB have it (Core i5 and up; Core i3's started having it with Skylake), and if I'm not mistaken some 45nm Core 2 Duos and Quads started having it. AMD has had it since Thuban.
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Unless the VM has passthrough technology there is no way you can play games this way.

Yes, that's what I meant. You need (or at least heavily benefit from) a CPU with VT-d support, right? The first mainstream K Intel CPU to have it enabled is the 4790K, but the other non-K models all the way back to SB have it (Core i5 and up; Core i3's started having it with Skylake), and if I'm not mistaken some 45nm Core 2 Duos and Quads started having it. AMD has had it since Thuban.

Setting up passthrough is a pretty daunting task. I've tried to set it up before and failed because it's pretty complicated but it can be done with patience (I lack it). The easiest solution is using UnRAID as UnRAID already has it built in. Alternatively those who wish to use free software can also set it up with Proxmox but it is some work but it's extremely easy compared with setting it up in Ubuntu, Mint or any other distro.

 

Edit: I am in the process of migrating my Plex server from Win 8.1 to Linux with the hope of ceasing to use M$py in the future and possibly only run Windows as a VM with PCI passthrough. I intend to either buy UnRAID or try and get passthrough working in Proxmox as I have come to like open source and or free software.


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Today I had an idea that crossed my mind:

It would be nice to check, if further updates have this CPU check routine implemented.
So probably somebody who is running Ryzen/KL, and has for example Windows 8.1.

Honestly I am thinking that MS just threw this update into systems, but didn't care enough to implement this check in next updates.
So maybe, if user is willing to update OS strictly through WSUS, it could work, as WSUS bypasses Windows Update (which is responsible for this CPU check).

Is somebody able to prove that ?
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Setting up passthrough is a pretty daunting task. I've tried to set it up before and failed because it's pretty complicated but it can be done with patience (I lack it). The easiest solution is using UnRAID as UnRAID already has it built in. Alternatively those who wish to use free software can also set it up with Proxmox but it is some work but it's extremely easy compared with setting it up in Ubuntu, Mint or any other distro.

Edit: I am in the process of migrating my Plex server from Win 8.1 to Linux with the hope of ceasing to use M$py in the future and possibly only run Windows as a VM with PCI passthrough. I intend to either buy UnRAID or try and get passthrough working in Proxmox as I have come to like open source and or free software.
And this is why I dont use Linux. I dont have the time to set up all of these patches. I already spend all the time building the system, running watercooling, system maint every 6mo. The idea of wrestling my OS into submission just does not appeal to me. It takes less time to turn telemetry data off and run "anti authorization" software to keep it turned off then play with all of this in Linux
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Another site that is essentially sleeping on this issue:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/247683-new-cpus-amd-intel-now-locked-windows-update-windows-7-8-1
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Are there workarounds?

Probably, but none of them are what you’d call convenient. You might be able to create a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 installation image with the latest security and feature updates. You still won’t be able to update, but at least you’ll have all of the updated software and security fixes current to the day you install the operating system. Alternately, if you have a second system that’s built on a similar CPU or platform, you may be able to install your HDD or SSD into that rig, boot the OS up, and then patch it. The disadvantage to this is that you’ll be stuck moving your OS drive into another computer on a regular basis.

There’s a third possibility: Enterprising users may wind up distributing home-rolled “service packs” with cracked installers to update a system. This might seem as if it fixes the problem altogether, and the Windows user community has certainly rallied before to create alternate OS versions or unofficial service packs. The problem is, there are always cases where Microsoft doesn’t give you a patch because your system, specifically, doesn’t need it. Installing OS updates that your system doesn’t need can be as problematic as installing those it does. Cracked, unofficial service packs are also a lovely way to infect machines with malware.

I mean, I wouldn't even want them to mention WSUS Offline Updater, but at least Microsoft's own Catalog site as it's mentioned and linked to by Microsoft itself in the security only updates. Nobody on these tech sites remembers how you patched Windows 95, for example? You went to Microsoft's site, downloaded the patch and installed it yourself. Or you bought a computer magazine with a CD-ROM that had the latest patches and installed from there. Even today, have these people never downloaded a standalone Windows component from Microsoft's site? Never read or wrote a story about it? Never thought about it?

I mean, I sympathise with the idea that this is a bad move by Microsoft, especially when it comes to Windows 8.1, which is still under mainstream support, I've said it many times, but these sites keep focusing on that and offering zero actual and practical solutions that actually exist that are right there for anyone willing to read.
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Setting up passthrough is a pretty daunting task. I've tried to set it up before and failed because it's pretty complicated but it can be done with patience (I lack it). The easiest solution is using UnRAID as UnRAID already has it built in. Alternatively those who wish to use free software can also set it up with Proxmox but it is some work but it's extremely easy compared with setting it up in Ubuntu, Mint or any other distro.

Edit: I am in the process of migrating my Plex server from Win 8.1 to Linux with the hope of ceasing to use M$py in the future and possibly only run Windows as a VM with PCI passthrough. I intend to either buy UnRAID or try and get passthrough working in Proxmox as I have come to like open source and or free software.
And this is why I dont use Linux. I dont have the time to set up all of these patches. I already spend all the time building the system, running watercooling, system maint every 6mo. The idea of wrestling my OS into submission just does not appeal to me. It takes less time to turn telemetry data off and run "anti authorization" software to keep it turned off then play with all of this in Linux

I also was of the same mentality when it came to running an Ubuntu server. Today it took me a few hours to set it up in a VM and it's running nicely but due to it being in a VM it has certain overheads I wish to eliminate. Win 8.1 has served me well and my main problem has always been my quad core CPU and separating my torrenting and Plex server into their own VM's has enabled me to learn a lot.

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The only thing more sad than Microsoft's actions are the people in this thread who rail against these policies and then go crawling back to Microsoft like a beaten puppy after their faux outrage.
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