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The only thing more sad than Microsoft's actions are the people in this thread who rail against these policies and then go crawling back to Microsoft like a beaten puppy after their faux outrage.

Faux outrage inducing is what these articles I've been quoting are. People who only read them won't see the solution and think that Windows 10 is unavoidable if they need to stay on the Windows ecosystem, when that is simply not true. Let's not pretend that it's easy to move away. I'm not talking about games either, those are optional and it's a matter of genre; there are now plenty of games available for Linux; I'm talking about the workplace and how that keeps people locked in. Transitioning to another OS takes time, and these articles are providing zero help on giving people that time.
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In spite of all the warning signs I did try to keep myself optimistic about Microsoft not shoving this in a Security Only update. Boy I was wrong.

The best analysis of this restriction has been made here:

Winaero - New CPU lock in Windows is now live and more restrictive
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Every time you start Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on PCs with the above mentioned CPUs, you'll see an "Unsupported Hardware" nag after a few minutes!
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If you try to install an update manually using the standalone update installer, the operating system will terminate the update process!
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The worst thing about this change is that even your virtual machines running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 will be affected. If a guest Windows 7 or 8.1 OS is running in a VirtualBox-powered virtual machine running on any Windows host OS, the CPU identifiers of the host PC hardware get passed on to the guest VM, so updates will be blocked in the Virtual Machine as well! This makes it impossible to use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine with Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs.

Manual installation from .cab files should still work, but nobody tested it so far like last time in March.
Effective immediately I will consider their "Lifecycle" Plan as being nothing more than a piece of toilet paper. 2018, 2020 and 2023 have all been totally discarded in their quest to force people use Windows 10. I fully expect them to breach their "mainstream" support plan with Windows 10 also.

I wish I could rant on for longer but I am speechless after how far they've went down the rabbit hole.

It would have been so easy for them to open up about Telemetry when they launched it in August 2015 and let us have a full disable switch.
It would have been so easy for them to let Windows 10 stand on its own merits, just as Windows 7 did.
It would have been so easy for them to NOT throw a rage fit like a spoiled kid against the Home, Education and Enterprise customers that represent their largest userbase and revenue.
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In spite of all the warning signs I did try to keep myself optimistic about Microsoft not shoving this in a Security Only update. Boy I was wrong.

The best analysis of this restriction has been made here:

Winaero - New CPU lock in Windows is now live and more restrictive
Quote:
Every time you start Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on PCs with the above mentioned CPUs, you'll see an "Unsupported Hardware" nag after a few minutes!
Quote:
If you try to install an update manually using the standalone update installer, the operating system will terminate the update process!
Quote:
The worst thing about this change is that even your virtual machines running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 will be affected. If a guest Windows 7 or 8.1 OS is running in a VirtualBox-powered virtual machine running on any Windows host OS, the CPU identifiers of the host PC hardware get passed on to the guest VM, so updates will be blocked in the Virtual Machine as well! This makes it impossible to use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine with Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs.

Manual installation from .cab files should still work, but nobody tested it so far like last time in March.
Effective immediately I will consider their "Lifecycle" Plan as being nothing more than a piece of toilet paper. 2018, 2020 and 2023 have all been totally discarded in their quest to force people use Windows 10. I fully expect them to breach their "mainstream" support plan with Windows 10 also.

I wish I could rant on for longer but I am speechless after how far they've went down the rabbit hole.

It would have been so easy for them to open up about Telemetry when they launched it in August 2015 and let us have a full disable switch.
It would have been so easy for them to let Windows 10 stand on its own merits, just as Windows 7 did.
It would have been so easy for them to NOT throw a rage fit like a spoiled kid against the Home, Education and Enterprise customers that represent their largest userbase and revenue.


Wait, what?!? The standalone updaters also fail? What about the security only updates, do they fail also or is it only the rollups? If that's the case I take back what I said before about the other articles even though Microsoft's language appears to very clearly limit it to scanning and downloading updates through Windows Update - it's written in very certain terms as I pointed out in the OP.

If they went the extra mile and are making standalone security updates fail for people who download them from the Catalog, then they are in extreme desperation territory now. That is a despicable thing to do.
 
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In spite of all the warning signs I did try to keep myself optimistic about Microsoft not shoving this in a Security Only update. Boy I was wrong.

The best analysis of this restriction has been made here:

Winaero - New CPU lock in Windows is now live and more restrictive
Quote:
Every time you start Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on PCs with the above mentioned CPUs, you'll see an "Unsupported Hardware" nag after a few minutes!
Quote:
If you try to install an update manually using the standalone update installer, the operating system will terminate the update process!
Quote:
The worst thing about this change is that even your virtual machines running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 will be affected. If a guest Windows 7 or 8.1 OS is running in a VirtualBox-powered virtual machine running on any Windows host OS, the CPU identifiers of the host PC hardware get passed on to the guest VM, so updates will be blocked in the Virtual Machine as well! This makes it impossible to use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine with Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs.

Manual installation from .cab files should still work, but nobody tested it so far like last time in March.
Effective immediately I will consider their "Lifecycle" Plan as being nothing more than a piece of toilet paper. 2018, 2020 and 2023 have all been totally discarded in their quest to force people use Windows 10. I fully expect them to breach their "mainstream" support plan with Windows 10 also.

I wish I could rant on for longer but I am speechless after how far they've went down the rabbit hole.

It would have been so easy for them to open up about Telemetry when they launched it in August 2015 and let us have a full disable switch.
It would have been so easy for them to let Windows 10 stand on its own merits, just as Windows 7 did.
It would have been so easy for them to NOT throw a rage fit like a spoiled kid against the Home, Education and Enterprise customers that represent their largest userbase and revenue.


Wait, what?!? The standalone updaters also fail? What about the security only updates, do they fail also or is it only the rollups? If that's the case I take back what I said before about the other articles even though Microsoft's language appears to very clearly limit it to scanning and downloading updates through Windows Update - it's written in very certain terms as I pointed out in the OP.

If they went the extra mile and are making standalone security updates fail for people who download them from the Catalog, then they are in extreme desperation territory now. That is a despicable thing to do.

Class action lawsuits will be useless and governments around the world will accept the decisions these power obsessed madmen make (that is an extremely nice way of describing our psychopathic fascist overlords).

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Wait, what?!? The standalone updaters also fail? What about the security only updates, do they fail also or is it only the rollups?

If they went the extra mile and are making standalone security updates fail for people who download them from the Catalog, then they are in extreme desperation territory now. That is a despicable thing to do.

Everything that isn't a .cab file installed via DISM commands fails [and I am still unsure if this workaround still works this time] smile.gif
Back in March when the restriction was added, it was by "upgrading" the Windows Update Client. My guess is that this is exactly what they did now. A new and "improved" version.
Since every Hotfixed installed as a .msu package will first ask the Windows Update Client if it can, or cannot be installed on the machine, that's when the error is being spewed out.

Totally agree, a cartoon villain has more common sense than Microsoft right now...
Edited by Rocozaur - 4/14/17 at 6:24pm
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Next questions are:

- does WSUS uses Windows Update Standalone Installer ?
- if we skip those hostile updates, can we install another ones coming after those ?

Edit: About that virtualization thing - article specifically states "VirtualBox-powered" - would be nice to confirm this in VMware and eventually in Passthrough.
Edited by BobiBolivia - 4/14/17 at 10:21am
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- if we skip those hostile updates, can we install another ones coming after those ?

Yeah, are they going to be bundling this in all future updates? (With how they're been handling cumulative updates) it seems possible / likely.)
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Everything that isn't a .cab file installed via DISM commands fails [and I am still unsure if this workaround still works this time] smile.gif
Back in March when the restriction was added, it was by "upgrading" the Windows Update Client. My guess is that this exactly what they did now. A new and "improved" version.
Since every Hotfixed installed as a .msu package will first ask the Windows Update Client if it can, or cannot be installed on the machine, that's when the error is being spewed out.

Totally agree, a cartoon villain has more common sense than Microsoft right now...

I've updated the thread with the article and quotes you brought up. I still don't know quite what to say either. This is some next level unprecedented shady stuff.


Oh, and regarding your comment from the first post:
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Effective immediately I will consider their "Lifecycle" Plan as being nothing more than a piece of toilet paper. 2018, 2020 and 2023 have all been totally discarded in their quest to force people use Windows 10. I fully expect them to breach their "mainstream" support plan with Windows 10 also.

Fully agreed. It's toilet paper circling the drain of irrelevance; they do what they want when they want. And when it comes to Windows 10, I initially brought up the three conditions that they stated back then to keep supporting systems; they just have to invoke one of them to start throwing initially supported systems overboard. They are: the latest drivers available for the hardware being too old; the system being outside the OEM support period and them wanting to introduce a new feature or requisite (like they did when Windows 8.1 x64 had different CPU and BIOS support hardware requirements compared to 8 x64, despite 8.1 technically being a service pack and thus needed to keep the system supported). And if they do it before 2020 or 2023, people who went from 7 and 8.1 to 10 are going to have a nasty surprise. Let's see if they go there to try to force hardware obsolescence.
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Honestly if Windows 10 did not come with pre-installed crap like facebook, Sling.tv, amongst others... I would care two cents about the telemetry and spying stuff. Seriously all I do is game, I could care less, but the fact my OS now has all this bloatware (and win 8.1 never did) just really ticks me off... my OS is supposed to be a sacred area for me to just have fun... having to turn off 20 settings cause I don't want adverts... sigh, I am really mad at Gabe + Valve more than M$ for promising/hyping SteamOS so much and then it turning out to be crap. screw it all.
    
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Honestly if Windows 10 did not come with pre-installed crap like facebook, Sling.tv, amongst others... I would care two cents about the telemetry and spying stuff. Seriously all I do is game, I could care less, but the fact my OS now has all this bloatware (and win 8.1 never did) just really ticks me off... my OS is supposed to be a sacred area for me to just have fun... having to turn off 20 settings cause I don't want adverts... sigh, I am really mad at Gabe + Valve more than M$ for promising/hyping SteamOS so much and then it turning out to be crap. screw it all.

SteamOS is just a customized Linux distro; you can install Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, and probably others and install Steam and use it on those.
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