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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

I've updated the thread with the article and quotes you brought up. I still don't know quite what to say either. This is some next level unprecedented shady stuff.

Oh, and regarding your comment from the first post:
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Effective immediately I will consider their "Lifecycle" Plan as being nothing more than a piece of toilet paper. 2018, 2020 and 2023 have all been totally discarded in their quest to force people use Windows 10. I fully expect them to breach their "mainstream" support plan with Windows 10 also.

Fully agreed. It's toilet paper circling the drain of irrelevance; they do what they want when they want. And when it comes to Windows 10, I initially brought up the three conditions that they stated back then to keep supporting systems; they just have to invoke one of them to start throwing initially supported systems overboard. They are: the latest drivers available for the hardware being too old; the system being outside the OEM support period and them wanting to introduce a new feature or requisite (like they did when Windows 8.1 x64 had different CPU and BIOS support hardware requirements compared to 8 x64, despite 8.1 technically being a service pack and thus needed to keep the system supported). And if they do it before 2020 or 2023, people who went from 7 and 8.1 to 10 are going to have a nasty surprise. Let's see if they go there to try to force hardware obsolescence.

I quoted whole chain just to make it easier to get context.

However that bold text is exactly what I think is going to happen. Now that Windows is promoted as "service", we have even less control than before, and M$ can decide at will that specific "old" chipset/CPU family will be not supported.

*deal_with_it_glasses.jpg*

Almost 2 months ago, there was this thread, discussing what appears to be approach similar to Ubuntu's LTS releases. Article discusses enterprise side of things, but I can imagine that this could be used in consumer line as well.

And if I can add a bit of a conspiracy about things going on "behind well guarded doors"...
My best bet is that Intel was struggling to push consumers to buy new CPUs every 1-2 years, so they teamed up with M$, and M$ came up with this brilliant idea of how to force consumers to unnecessarily inovate their computers.
And AMD ? They have to be quiet, because gaming consoles are their source of income in these hard times, and it would hurt them if they would go loud against M$, who would just say "k then, I guess we will find another supplier for XBox hardware".

Sorry for wall of text, but latest M$ actions are becoming quite disturbing. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by BobiBolivia View Post

I quoted whole chain just to make it easier to get context.

However that bold text is exactly what I think is going to happen. Now that Windows is promoted as "service", we have even less control than before, and M$ can decide at will that specific "old" chipset/CPU family will be not supported.

*deal_with_it_glasses.jpg*

Almost 2 months ago, there was this thread, discussing what appears to be approach similar to Ubuntu's LTS releases. Article discusses enterprise side of things, but I can imagine that this could be used in consumer line as well.

And if I can add a bit of a conspiracy about things going on "behind well guarded doors"...
My best bet is that Intel was struggling to push consumers to buy new CPUs every 1-2 years, so they teamed up with M$, and M$ came up with this brilliant idea of how to force consumers to unnecessarily inovate their computers.
And AMD ? They have to be quiet, because gaming consoles are their source of income in these hard times, and it would hurt them if they would go loud against M$, who would just say "k then, I guess we will find another supplier for XBox hardware".

Sorry for wall of text, but latest M$ actions are becoming quite disturbing. rolleyes.gif

One thing I've noticed with these kinds of threads: we (often rightfully) decry M$ policies, but then continue to use their operating systems. Every single time.

Where is the turning point? There has to be a last straw at some point.

This comes out today, and its like nobody's phased by it at all.
Edited by lombardsoup - 4/14/17 at 6:25pm
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While it may be time for my evening sleep, I do have to add the latest findings.

Woody put up some very good instructions on how to emulate a Kaby Lake CPU inside Oracle's VirtualBox.
Readers have been kind folks and submitted their results. What we have so far:

1. After applying the offending patch, installing future .cab files via DISM works!
2. Manually replacing the latest Windows Update Client (Wuaueng.dll) with it's previous version (KB3161647) results in a triumph, huge success. March 2017 Update Client (Click to show)
May 2016 Update Client (Click to show)

This proves beyond any sort of doubt that they've changed the Windows Update Client as the Preview Rollup showed 2-3 weeks ago.
As long as they don't change anything else, the 2 workarounds might prove to be the only option for people who still want to use Windows 7/8.1 on Ryzen and Kaby Lake machines thumb.gif
Hope is not lost, but it will be increasingly difficult if Microsoft finds a way to whack-a-mole the 2 viable solutions we have so far. sadsmiley.gif
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Looks like my aging X58 rig will need to live a while longer. I can't upgrade until I know that I can circumvent this BS for more than a month. Preferably easily, but that might be asking too much.
    
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The only thing more sad than Microsoft's actions are the people in this thread who rail against these policies and then go crawling back to Microsoft like a beaten puppy after their faux outrage.

And the only thing more sad than that is the people who keep writing off these issues as irrelevant and the people who dislike the issues even being there as just being angry for the sake of being angry.

This crap has been pissing me off since 8 came out, after I fixed 8, when 8.1 broke my drivers, when 8.1 worked flawlessly and the entire time I've been preparing to move 24/7 to Linux on my main desktop. I'm not switching back, literally all I miss out on right now is FO4 and Skyrim Special Edition which I don't play over the OG anyway. Plus, you can fix these problems in other ways and continue to stay away from 10: Those of us who have switched to Linux just don't want to be back in the same boat in a few months trying to fix something else MS has broken in order to push W10.
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I've updated the thread with the article and quotes you brought up. I still don't know quite what to say either. This is some next level unprecedented shady stuff.


Oh, and regarding your comment from the first post:
Fully agreed. It's toilet paper circling the drain of irrelevance; they do what they want when they want. And when it comes to Windows 10, I initially brought up the three conditions that they stated back then to keep supporting systems; they just have to invoke one of them to start throwing initially supported systems overboard. They are: the latest drivers available for the hardware being too old; the system being outside the OEM support period and them wanting to introduce a new feature or requisite (like they did when Windows 8.1 x64 had different CPU and BIOS support hardware requirements compared to 8 x64, despite 8.1 technically being a service pack and thus needed to keep the system supported). And if they do it before 2020 or 2023, people who went from 7 and 8.1 to 10 are going to have a nasty surprise. Let's see if they go there to try to force hardware obsolescence.

They know that people either have the choice of W7/8 (And use of the Windows ecosystem still) or Linux if they don't want 10. They know that people will likely have to give up something for Linux, even if its just one program or game (For me it's realistically only Fallout 4, everything else is native apart from 3 games...which run flawlessly in wine, one of which even is smoother than in Windows) so they're doing what they can to cut out 7/8 as an option. Meanwhile Linux has been increasing in usability on a day to day basis and becoming more and more of a serious option even for mainstream users, I can see exactly why they're getting desperate: A lot of what holds Linux back is that people take a long time to change their opinion on things or update their knowledge..Hell, the amount of people that still think you either can't have or need to do a complex workaround for native Netflix on Linux is staggering. I literally installed the DRM plugins to Chromium using one command and it was already good to go.
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sigh, I am really mad at Gabe + Valve more than M$ for promising/hyping SteamOS so much and then it turning out to be crap. screw it all.

It's never going to be finished and will improve each and every release. Hell, the GPU drivers for AMD have gone extremely far in about a years time: Gone from being a clearly worse option than nVidia (Unless you want open source) to being the best option for Linux even if performance isn't quite as good on the high end cards. Likewise with WiFi and audio, generally I haven't had an issue with either in years and I don't exactly have the most common sound card compared to onboard Realtek solutions. The only two things I have an issue with now are Fallout 4 not running on wine (DX11 isn't fully supported) and my multi-monitor setup sometimes making games default to my left-most screen and not either all 3 or my centre one.

Hell, my Xbox 360 Wireless reciever and controller were easier to setup than in Windows: I installed the gamepad libraries (Only had to because Arch doesn't install them, or much of anything by default) and it worked, synced to my controller and works perfectly in games. Every version of Windows post-Vista needs me to find and install a driver online, then specify to Windows that I want this particular driver installed from this particular version and only then does it work. Until it randomly loses that information for some reason and I have to reinstall the driver, which at the very least doesn't happen often. I also find Steam to be faster at installing games on Linux as the "Pre-allocating disc space for x" stage of the setup either finishes much more quickly or at least closes the dialog box and goes into the background more quickly which either way allows me to start installing the next game on my list if I'm reinstalling.

So just remember this: SteamOS wasn't intended to be a fully supported Linux gaming distro from the get-go, that's what it's intended to evolve into as the amount of work still needed is immense; but it's already bearing fruit in regards to GPU drivers and games being ported. Fact is, I can natively play Civ V MP with my friend regardless of whether he has Windows, Linux or OS X. Couldn't even consider doing that 5 years ago and I considered Linux usable back then, albeit considerably more work than Windows with a lot more alternatives rather than direct ports.
    
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Never stops with MS. I was one of the people that it updated without asking was working in Word computer turned off and rebooted to 10 no joke I even had the utility to stop it installed.
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Honestly if Windows 10 did not come with pre-installed crap like facebook, Sling.tv, amongst others... I would care two cents about the telemetry and spying stuff. Seriously all I do is game, I could care less, but the fact my OS now has all this bloatware (and win 8.1 never did) just really ticks me off... my OS is supposed to be a sacred area for me to just have fun... having to turn off 20 settings cause I don't want adverts... sigh, I am really mad at Gabe + Valve more than M$ for promising/hyping SteamOS so much and then it turning out to be crap. screw it all.
SteamOS brought alot of much needed attention to the linux ecosystem. Its pretty crazy how much better things are now. That being said, if you think SteamOS is crap then pick a better distro.
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Eh, the sooner MS goes ahead and forces everyone over to Win10, the faster we can finally be rid of these silly Win7/8 vs Win10 flame-fests.

Anyway, its nice to be one of the people that simply enjoys Win10 as a great OS for my PC's and doesn't feel the need to spend every minute of every day constantly trying to find things to be upset about it. thumb.gif
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Eh, the sooner MS goes ahead and forces everyone over to Win10, the faster we can finally be rid of these silly Win7/8 vs Win10 flame-fests.

Anyway, its nice to be one of the people that simply enjoys Win10 as a great OS for my PC's and doesn't feel the need to spend every minute of every day constantly trying to find things to be upset about it. thumb.gif

Then you read about new NSA malware specific to this OS and realize a good portion of that worrying is very justified.
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Then you read about new NSA malware specific to this OS and realize a good portion of that worrying is very justified.

Eh, I'll risk it. You can always unplug from the public realm entirely if you are so worried about it but these same doom and gloom stories have been around forever and they've never amounted to anything for me...
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