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Glad i actually read to the end of this thread, made my day.

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post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by LazarusIV View Post

Organic molecules imply that life could be present. The article certainly does not claim organic molecules are life. Next time read before commenting please.

If we're talking about earth sure when you find organic molecules it could imply possibility of life. We have not demonstrated possibility outside of Earth due to 0 samples.
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If we're talking about earth sure when you find organic molecules it could imply possibility of life. We have not demonstrated possibility outside of Earth due to 0 samples.

The reason it's exciting and they're implying the presence of life due to organic molecules in the oceans is that they believe the deep ocean ecology in Enceladus' deep ocean is possibly very similar to the deep ocean ecology of Earth's deep oceans. I.E. life thriving around deep-sea volcanic vents, which we initially never thought was possible until we found it.

Basically, there is tidal friction heating up the deep parts of Enceladus' oceans and with the presence of organic molecules in the waters around the heated zones, scientists believe there is a similar enough environment that there could be life down there, not unlike the waters around our volcanic vents.

Why wouldn't organic molecules in another celestial body's ocean not precipitate the presence of life? The chances of life being unique to Earth are unimaginably small.
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Admittedly, it was neat back when microbe discoveries were made on Mars back in 2013. But I'm starting to think NASA hasn't moved on past that point.
This. NASA has fallen to the realm of clickbait.

Respectfully disagree with you there. Even just the simplest single cell life on two different solar system bodies besides Earth would have huge implications for the idea that life is not rare and is in fact quite common in the universe. Until such a discovery happens we can only assume that life only exists on our tiny little planet (which could very well be true since we have yet to find any evidence thus far that disproves it).
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The reason it's exciting and they're implying the presence of life due to organic molecules in the oceans is that they believe the deep ocean ecology in Enceladus' deep ocean is possibly very similar to the deep ocean ecology of Earth's deep oceans. I.E. life thriving around deep-sea volcanic vents, which we initially never thought was possible until we found it.

Basically, there is tidal friction heating up the deep parts of Enceladus' oceans and with the presence of organic molecules in the waters around the heated zones, scientists believe there is a similar enough environment that there could be life down there, not unlike the waters around our volcanic vents.

Why wouldn't organic molecules in another celestial body's ocean not precipitate the presence of life? The chances of life being unique to Earth are unimaginably small.

You have to keep in mind that there is still zero evidence that this deep ocean hypothesis is actually accurate. We haven't actually PROVEN that the liquid under the ice is even water yet so far as I know, its just the most likely thing it could be. Until we actually get samples we can't prove beyond any doubt that there is any similarity between Earth's oceans and these frozen moons. And even if we could prove that there are water oceans there that still doesn't prove that life could have developed there since we still don't understand exactly how life came to form on Earth yet either. But it certainly is an exciting and plausible theory.
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You have to keep in mind that there is still zero evidence that this deep ocean hypothesis is actually accurate. We haven't actually PROVEN that the liquid under the ice is even water yet so far as I know, its just the most likely thing it could be. Until we actually get samples we can't prove beyond any doubt that there is any similarity between Earth's oceans and these frozen moons. And even if we could prove that there are water oceans there that still doesn't prove that life could have developed there since we still don't understand exactly how life came to form on Earth yet either. But it certainly is an exciting and plausible theory.

First, hypotheses don't have to be accurate, they're hypotheses! It's an educated guess based on information gathered to date and it is something to test, not declare! The point of a hypothesis is to have something to prove or disprove. It feels like the common colloquial use of hypothesis is as something that's been proven and is taken for a fact... and that couldn't be further from the truth! The hypothesis is where you start your inquiry.

With that said, it's interesting because it seems there are more similarities between Earth's deep ocean environments and Enceladus' from what we can see so far. I'm not saying we're going to find life, I'm saying (and I believe what the paper is saying) is that from what we've found so far, the chances of finding life in Enceladus' deep ocean are now much higher than we previously thought due to that unexpected similarity.

Also, we do know that Enceladus has a salty water ocean, Cassini found that for us as well as finding the molecular hydrogen in the plumes. And just because we don't know exactly how life started on Earth (which there are a few good hypotheses) doesn't mean we can't find out how or why life got started on another celestial body. Why would you think knowledge about Enceladus (or any other moon, planet, or planetoid) hinges completely on our knowledge of Earth?
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so what we waiting for
we can go there easily with todays tech
but again its nasa the want to milk as much money as they can
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so what we waiting for
we can go there easily with todays tech
but again its nasa the want to milk as much money as they can

 

For the first part of your statement to be true, the latter must also be true. So in that sense, it's not so much 'milking' as ensuring that they have the money necessary to 'go there easily'.

 
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so what we waiting for
we can go there easily with todays tech
but again its nasa the want to milk as much money as they can

If you think any part about space travel is easy, let alone visiting another planet and getting back to Earth again, then there's really nothing for you here.
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If you think any part about space travel is easy, let alone visiting another planet and getting back to Earth again, then there's really nothing for you here.

But...but...but...but...but...but......but......he played Kerbal.
    
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