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Just installed Windows 10 (not by choice) and I'm having terrible performance issues.

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First off, all the apps and services for tablets and phones...I've deleted/stopped what I could but I'm almost positive they're still there in the background. Are there commands or is there a program that will run at start, or permanently edit Windows to properly get rid of this garbage?

Second, gaming performance (the big issue). It's gotten terrible...tons of stuttering and a very high CPU usage issue. I didn't have either of these issues when running Windows 7 a couple days ago, so I know it's W10. I've read through plenty of forums and articles trying to find what the dealio is, and what I've found is I need either ThrottleStop or something to edit my 'system timer'. My problem is, these recommendations are from years ago.

So, is there any new fix running around now for the performance issues, or do I still go the routes I said above? If the latter, what are the best programs for said fixes, and will I have to re-run and set them every time I startup or can they be set to run automatically on boot up.



I'm at a loss...I need advice from people that are current with this OS...because I'm noob.

Thanks.
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post #2 of 18

Use this to stop a lot of services:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

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First off, all the apps and services for tablets and phones...I've deleted/stopped what I could but I'm almost positive they're still there in the background. Are there commands or is there a program that will run at start, or permanently edit Windows to properly get rid of this garbage?

The reality is that in 2017, with a system like yours, Windows' background bloat is going to have a virtually non-existent impact on performance, whether within the windows environment or games. There may be conflicts, but in terms of impact on raw performance that stuff is irrelevant (unless one of the services is faulting).

You say there is high CPU usage during gaming; what process is using the CPU excessively? The game? Look at task manager's individual CPU % numbers.

My experience with Windows 10 and gaming is that there isn't a difference in DX9-DX11 games vs Windows 7, whether you're talking about stutter or framerates. DX8 is forced to run in borderless windowed mode instead of true fullscreen, and this makes it almost impossible to get those games to run smooth, but I'm talking about perfect-120fps-V-Synced-at-120Hz-smooth. Most people apparently aren't even aware that the game is in windowed mode. And of course Windows 10 has an advantage in DX12 games. But everything else has been the same for me on Intel+Nvidia hardware.
Edited by Oubadah - 4/15/17 at 2:59am
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post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by reubdy View Post

First off, all the apps and services for tablets and phones...I've deleted/stopped what I could but I'm almost positive they're still there in the background. Are there commands or is there a program that will run at start, or permanently edit Windows to properly get rid of this garbage?

Second, gaming performance (the big issue). It's gotten terrible...tons of stuttering and a very high CPU usage issue. I didn't have either of these issues when running Windows 7 a couple days ago, so I know it's W10. I've read through plenty of forums and articles trying to find what the dealio is, and what I've found is I need either ThrottleStop or something to edit my 'system timer'. My problem is, these recommendations are from years ago.

So, is there any new fix running around now for the performance issues, or do I still go the routes I said above? If the latter, what are the best programs for said fixes, and will I have to re-run and set them every time I startup or can they be set to run automatically on boot up.



I'm at a loss...I need advice from people that are current with this OS...because I'm noob as f.

Thanks.

I am pretty sure you used the upgrade path.
i recommend doing a clean install as i have had several upgrades go wrong from different os versions.(Anything from perfomance issues to strange software conflicts.)
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As mentioned I am going to leap and say you did an in place upgrade to Windows 10. That will be your problem, fresh install all the way with a big operating system change like that. Upgrading is almost always the worst choice as you essentially have all the old remnants from the previous OS sitting in the background and sometimes the upgrade does not always go 100% as planned (even though it completes and you assume all is ok).

 

Windows 10 is just fine, granted use ShutUp10 to block all the poinless services and telemetry etc but as far as performance going, gaming included it has always been great for me.

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Originally Posted by Oubadah View Post

The reality is that in 2017, with a system like yours, Windows' background bloat is going to have a virtually non-existent impact on performance, whether within the windows environment or games. There may be conflicts, but in terms of impact on raw performance that stuff is irrelevant (unless one of the services is faulting).

You say there is high CPU usage during gaming; what process is using the CPU excessively? The game? Look at task manager's individual CPU % numbers.

Yeah that makes sense, the games themselves (Black Desert Online and For Honor) are taking more CPU use. BDO has always been a CPU heavy game, but For Honor wasn't...they are both around 15-20% higher now with Windows 10.

Mojo and Enterprise, I made sure to do a clean install...even went through and deleted all previous partitions. I'll give this ShutUp10 a go.
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Games still running at 75-90% CPU usage after ShutUp modifications...is there any other ideas of what to try/do to even see why it changed so much?
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So to be clear, you have formatted your hard drive and done a fresh install of Windows by booting into DVD or USB ?

What game are you plaing ? If its a CPU bound game that could make a difference. I however when gaming on Windows 10 have a smooth experience so im doubtfull its Windows, likely another factor.
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post

So to be clear, you have formatted your hard drive and done a fresh install of Windows by booting into DVD or USB ?

What game are you plaing ? If its a CPU bound game that could make a difference. I however when gaming on Windows 10 have a smooth experience so im doubtfull its Windows, likely another factor.

Yes, formatted and installed clean onto my Samsung SSD with a legit Windows 10 DVD.

Games I'm playing? Black Desert Online (very CPU heavy game, but not normally this heavy.) and For Honor (which isn't CPU heavy, ran before on Windows 7 around 50% usage).
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I just found something about core parking...specifically this.

Should I give the program a shot? I've never heard of core parking before, so I'm cautious.
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