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Sell the H220X in the neighborhood of $50 to $70 tops there should be local takers. Locals tend to buy stuff with a lot of blings and good deals based on my experience. A brand new Apogee XL are in the $70 range which you can use it for the time being.

I use the Evolve ATX before but I have to ditch it too for reason of poor air flow and no room to expand and limited rad space. Doing the mod yourself is not for the faint of hearth. There are great and artistic local modders here but they tend to design things more on bling than substance.

I use a 480 GTS rad Xflow because its the only available rad at the time. Using multiple GTS rads really affects flow on my 900D so I end up using a dual D5 pump in serial to maintain 1GPM at idle.


A case that can accomodate a 360 and a 240 will suffice adding more rads gets diminishing returns. On a 35 degree celcius ambient and 37 average water temp with several rads gets 1 to 1.3 degree Delta T at idle. 3.5 Delta T at maximum load both GPU and CPU running 2 benchmarks at the same time.


Gentle Typhoons AP-15 mates well with Hardware Labs GTS rads running from 800 to 1400 rpm in push. Rads are design for the sub 800 rpm. You can still buy original Typhoons from 3dSOJ at TPC for P900. Running push and pull on my top radiator does not make a huge difference 1 to 2 degrees.

If you really want to appreciate water cooling get a fan controller. running those fans thru PWM on a motherboard will throw your fan curves. Those fans will just ramp up and down if the cpu and gpu kicks up on temps.

Cases are available on Corsairs like a 750D to 900D to start. I would avoid cases with glass they have poor temps. Stay away from Mid atx on hot climates they tend to be like hot ovens. you need a big case to breath. There are so many cases available but you have to choose wisely. It does not mean an expensive case with blings will improve you temps. Better be smart than sorry. As I said before its a matter of taste and preference.
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Sell the H220X in the neighborhood of $50 to $70 tops there should be local takers. Locals tend to buy stuff with a lot of blings and good deals based on my experience. A brand new Apogee XL are in the $70 range which you can use it for the time being.

I use the Evolve ATX before but I have to ditch it too for reason of poor air flow and no room to expand and limited rad space. Doing the mod yourself is not for the faint of hearth. There are great and artistic local modders here but they tend to design things more on bling than substance.

I use a 480 GTS rad Xflow because its the only available rad at the time. Using multiple GTS rads really affects flow on my 900D so I end up using a dual D5 pump in serial to maintain 1GPM at idle.


A case that can accomodate a 360 and a 240 will suffice adding more rads gets diminishing returns. On a 35 degree celcius ambient and 37 average water temp with several rads gets 1 to 1.3 degree Delta T at idle. 3.5 Delta T at maximum load both GPU and CPU running 2 benchmarks at the same time.


Gentle Typhoons AP-15 mates well with Hardware Labs GTS rads running from 800 to 1400 rpm in push. Rads are design for the sub 800 rpm. You can still buy original Typhoons from 3dSOJ at TPC for P900. Running push and pull on my top radiator does not make a huge difference 1 to 2 degrees.

If you really want to appreciate water cooling get a fan controller. running those fans thru PWM on a motherboard will throw your fan curves. Those fans will just ramp up and down if the cpu and gpu kicks up on temps.

Cases are available on Corsairs like a 750D to 900D to start. I would avoid cases with glass they have poor temps. Stay away from Mid atx on hot climates they tend to be like hot ovens. you need a big case to breath. There are so many cases available but you have to choose wisely. It does not mean an expensive case with blings will improve you temps. Better be smart than sorry. As I said before its a matter of taste and preference.

Wait, are you from our country too?! rolleyes.gif
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I am base from Southern Califonia but from time to time I fly to Manila often. Currently I'm in the country to finish a project. So I know my way around here.
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I am base from Southern Califonia but from time to time I fly to Manila often. Currently I'm in the country to finish a project. So I know my way around here.
Oh, nice! Really sad how we can only get to choose from a small number of good "water cooling" cases here.
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Check Thermaltake X71 for around $160 (8k) on TPC. Nanotec is the local distributor. It's good for a starter.
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Check Thermaltake X71 for around $160 (8k) on TPC. Nanotec is the local distributor. It's good for a starter.

I have been looking for that! Sadly no hits on TPC. I saw it once but when I searched again it was gone. I'll just message nanotec maybe they can point to where I can buy it.
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Sell the H220X in the neighborhood of $50 to $70 tops there should be local takers. Locals tend to buy stuff with a lot of blings and good deals based on my experience. A brand new Apogee XL are in the $70 range which you can use it for the time being.

I use the Evolve ATX before but I have to ditch it too for reason of poor air flow and no room to expand and limited rad space. Doing the mod yourself is not for the faint of hearth. There are great and artistic local modders here but they tend to design things more on bling than substance.

I use a 480 GTS rad Xflow because its the only available rad at the time. Using multiple GTS rads really affects flow on my 900D so I end up using a dual D5 pump in serial to maintain 1GPM at idle.


A case that can accomodate a 360 and a 240 will suffice adding more rads gets diminishing returns. On a 35 degree celcius ambient and 37 average water temp with several rads gets 1 to 1.3 degree Delta T at idle. 3.5 Delta T at maximum load both GPU and CPU running 2 benchmarks at the same time.


Gentle Typhoons AP-15 mates well with Hardware Labs GTS rads running from 800 to 1400 rpm in push. Rads are design for the sub 800 rpm. You can still buy original Typhoons from 3dSOJ at TPC for P900. Running push and pull on my top radiator does not make a huge difference 1 to 2 degrees.

If you really want to appreciate water cooling get a fan controller. running those fans thru PWM on a motherboard will throw your fan curves. Those fans will just ramp up and down if the cpu and gpu kicks up on temps.

Cases are available on Corsairs like a 750D to 900D to start. I would avoid cases with glass they have poor temps. Stay away from Mid atx on hot climates they tend to be like hot ovens. you need a big case to breath. There are so many cases available but you have to choose wisely. It does not mean an expensive case with blings will improve you temps. Better be smart than sorry. As I said before its a matter of taste and preference.

 

I'd rather get a better CPU block if I would upgrade everything anyway.

 

I won't be the one modding the top panel of the Evolv ATX. I'll be going to California next month and Joe from modmymods.com is currently dealing with Phanteks in coming up with an "official" top mod for this case. This means that when I go to the US I can buy a modded top panel from him.

 

Would 1x GTS 280mm XFLOW and 1x GTS 240mm XFLOW suffice for heavy OC and GPU OC'ing? The Delta T you're pertaining to is the temp difference between ambient and component temps at idle\load, right? I ask this because there are two Delta T's in watercooling, one is the difference between water and ambient temps and the other is the difference between ambient and component temps.

 

I agree that GT AP-15's are still good but it's well known that they produce weird motor noise so I want to stay away from them as much as possible. And I always want to stick with PWM-enabled fans. I was a fan of using Lamptron fan controllers before to control my voltage-regulated fans but I didn't like doing the regulation manually.

 

How different, in terms of temps, does a full tower compare to a mid tower on tropical regions? And why would glass affect the temps? I tend to favor Tempered Glass.

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The Evolve ATX can accommodate a maximum 360 30mm to 45 max on top with removable rad mounts leaving few millimeters gap to top aluminum cover. The front can accommodate a 240 to 280 only. The case is nice but its too cramp to work with if you are running big pumps and using multiple 3.5 hard drives. The glass cover on a tropical climate heats up the case so fast due to limited space. and its like a convection oven due to restricted airflow in the front and top. so you need also to mod the front of the case. Modding the top does not provide that much difference.

Using a 360 and 240 on the case is sufficient enough. any particular preference on using 140mm fans if you can use 5 120mm fans instead of 4?
Getting a higher overclock on the CPU depends on how lucky and how the CPU can handle voltage. delidding your cpu with custom water cooling sometimes help to achieve higher overclock or lower CPU temp. Current generations of GPU are fast enough nowadays compared several years ago. most of the time the next generation is tweak a little bit like what Nvidia is doing.

As I said on watercooling Delta T is the difference of your ambient room temps and water temps. The objective is to cool your water temp, components are just secondary. Please don't get yourself confuse.
The Lamptron is just basic fan controller and similar to NZXT Sentry 3. You need an Aquaero 6 fan controller with water and air sensors. The Gentle Typhoons really shines on the Aquaero. Using Lamptron as such is like garbage in garbage out. The Aquaero works independently and has a steep learning curve and it can't be learn overnight but once its done right the sky is the limit.

Base on my experience on a hot tropical climate you need a full tower case in order for your motherboard, CPU, GPU, radiator and fans to breath. Evolve atx mid case are design of cold climates and not suitable for the region. unless you have temperature control room running your A/C 24/7. even for people who bought the case on cold climates their number complain is always air flow and regardless you do the mod its still a hot tamale.
Edited by lovan6 - 4/18/17 at 4:57am
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The Evolve ATX can accommodate a maximum 360 30mm to 45 max on top with removable rad mounts leaving few millimeters gap to top aluminum cover. The front can accommodate a 240 to 280 only. The case is nice but its too cramp to work with if you are running big pumps and using multiple 3.5 hard drives. The glass cover on a tropical climate heats up the case so fast due to limited space. and its like a convection oven due to restricted airflow in the front and top. so you need also to mod the front of the case. Modding the top does not provide that much difference.


As I said on watercooling Delta T is the difference of your ambient room temps and water temps. The objective is to cool your water temp, components are just secondary. Please don't get yourself confuse.
The Lamptron is just basic fan controller and similar to NZXT Sentry 3. You need an Aquaero 6 fan controller with water and air sensors. The Gentle Typhoons really shines on the Aquaero. Using Lamptron as such is like garbage in garbage out. The Aquaero works independently and has a steep learning curve and it can't be learn overnight but once its done right the sky is the limit.

Base on my experience on a hot tropical climate you need a full tower case in order for your motherboard, CPU, GPU, radiator and fans to breath. Evolve atx mid case are design of cold climates and not suitable for the region. unless you have temperature control room running your A/C 24/7. even for people who bought the case on cold climates their number complain is always air flow and regardless you do the mod its still a hot tamale.

 

Tell that to Evolv ATX owners here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1598825/phanteks-enthoo-evolv-atx/750 where they experience a significant decrease in temps after having their top panel modded. There is an improvement in temps when you remove the top panel but not by much, maybe 1 to 2C. I understand that this case is too cramped up if you're dealing with a lot of components (thick rads, multiple 3.5" hard drives) but to each his own. It all depends on the use case scenario. Like many people say in the Phanteks thread, the Evolv ATX airflow issues are vastly overrated. You need to know which components are suitable for the case, not the other way around.

 

I concur regarding the use of Aquaero 6 but this is really getting into the extremes in watercooling. For a first time custom waterloop users like me, I tend to think that having the correct components for a given case will suffice.

 

You don't need a full tower in a hot climate to cool your system components properly. It's all about proper airflow. Airflow is more important than case size. And I still don't get the whole glass thing. Even though glass has less insulation than plastic (acrylic), I really don't think it will affect air temps that much. Again, airflow is much more important.

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do you have the older ones or the newer ones? I have the newer ap-65's. it's not that they are loud, it's that they have a very distinct motor sound that I can't stand. I tried each fan individually to rule out it being an issue with one of them. I had rubber washers i used as well to rule out vibrations. I can hear it past 1000 rpm. it's definitely probably a preferential thing here. Same thing with the Vardars. it's not that they are loud, it's that I cant stand the sound they make.

The good old ones before they became hard to find. AP-15s to be exact.
I seriously don't hear any motor noise from them. And I even have used ones I bought off another peep.
I have those AP-15s, Darkside AP-15s, Corsair SP120s, and eLoops. All 120mm fans. Though, I have some 140mm Corsairs and Fractal Design fans lying about.
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Are you pertaining to the Corsair ML120's or just Corsair in general?

I can't stand most of the Corsair fans. They just have this weird tonal noise my ears can pick up.
I have yet to try the ML120s out though. May buy one to see how it compares.
     
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