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I've been playing this rhythm-game called osu day-in and day-out for about six months now and, while i could explain what the game is about i think this does the job... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzbNbqWvP_I&t The video only really starts at around 55 sec.
The game goes to the edge human reaction and so the peripherals greatly matter. There's always been a "fight" between mouse and Tablet players in our community of over 9 mio. players. The reason: Mouse players having an advantage of a higher polling rate (~1000hz) but with the problem of mouse-drag. Tablet being the Bipolar opposite. Total-positioning being the good part and a sad polling rate of around 200hz on good tablets... Now i wanted to ask the overclock community if there was any way to maybe overclock this peripheral to an acceptable polling rate... I'm asking for the whole community and really need an answer please... ;A;
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I know that wareya had a tablet that could be run at 1000Hz with debug tools. thinking.gif
    
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I doubt you'd be able to perceive any difference between 200hz and anything higher on a tablet, especially in a rhythm game. If it's really that sensitive to such infinitesimal timing gaps, that could be argued to be a design flaw of the game more than anything else.
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I've looked into this before. The short answer seems to be no on the software side. You'd probably need to write custom drivers for it.
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I can't talk about Windows, but on Linux the custom drivers don't support higher hz (at least not to my knowledge). They do however let you change smoothing (to a minimum of 1, default of 4) and points to trim down (minimum of 0, default 2).

My CTL-460 feels a lot better with those at their minimums. I suspect that windows has these same values too, because switching windows to linux didn't impact me but changing these values did make me move too early for a few minutes, but I don't have any hard evidence to back it up and could be wrong. I haven't been able to up the hz from 250hz, but those settings did reduce input lag for sure.
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I think you should ask SweetLow on this forum. It's the guy who wrote hard overclocking drivers for mice so i guess he would be more knowledgeable about the topic than most of us.
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I think you should ask SweetLow on this forum. It's the guy who wrote hard overclocking drivers for mice so i guess he would be more knowledgeable about the topic than most of us.
The big issue is that sweetlow's drivers overclock the polling rate, and it's up to the mouse firmware and hardware to actually support that polling rate. Drawing tablets' hz isn't restricted by the usb polling rate, their firmware/hardware limits it.

I've heard that wacom tablets can't go above 250hz or so because their pens don't contain batteries, but I don't know how true it is.
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I doubt you'd be able to perceive any difference between 200hz and anything higher on a tablet, especially in a rhythm game. If it's really that sensitive to such infinitesimal timing gaps, that could be argued to be a design flaw of the game more than anything else.
You can feel the difference of a mouse, especially in a rhythm game. It's just like in an fps, hz won't make or break your performance, but 1000hz is more comfortable than 200hz to most people. From experience it's no different with a mouse in osu, it's still very demanding on your aim skills so you can feel the difference in hz. I can't say from experience, but I'd bet it'd be the same with a tablet too.
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I've been playing this rhythm-game;

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Thank you all so much for your replies. I will now talk about some of them wink.gif
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I know that wareya had a tablet that could be run at 1000Hz with debug tools. thinking.gif
i would want to ask this "wareya" owo

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I think you should ask SweetLow on this forum. It's the guy who wrote hard overclocking drivers for mice so i guess he would be more knowledgeable about the topic than most of us.
yeah i should (i'll be trying to do that... (though i've tried his methods before the downloads were taken down and it didn't work ;A;)

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I can't talk about Windows, but on Linux the custom drivers don't support higher hz (at least not to my knowledge). They do however let you change smoothing (to a minimum of 1, default of 4) and points to trim down (minimum of 0, default 2).
Smoothing is obviously a problem but since the retarded drivers on the ctl-490 don't let the user adjust the smoothing (where 0 would be perfect) i need to disable the tip and and tape it down (because for some stupid reason the thing only uses smoothing while hovering - the playstyle i use for playing :l ) love my tablet though

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I doubt you'd be able to perceive any difference between 200hz and anything higher on a tablet, especially in a rhythm game. If it's really that sensitive to such infinitesimal timing gaps, that could be argued to be a design flaw of the game more than anything else.
I look down on you, boy. "pc gamer" have you even watched the video i have included in my message?

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zhuni give me your in-game name wink.gif
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I know that wareya had a tablet that could be run at 1000Hz with debug tools. thinking.gif
I don't. I really wish I did, though, the smoothing on my tablet makes my dysgraphia worse.
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